Nits and Tidbits from ex COL people

Did Kitty Ki actually die recently?
No, she was a relative of the Fillets, which is a name we use, but she was an aunt in the family, not Kitty Ki, although she did like Hello Kitty. She never posted.

Was there a recent demo for COL?
No. JSW might have done something in Oregon recently, but not COL. It was not news.

Was the former instructor who left recently a man or woman, as they seem to be silent about that?
She is a woman. She will not reveal her identity, but COL knows full well who she is, and that's why they're silent. They're like, holy cow she was there and knows way too much. We had better not pry far into that, as she could sue. She wouldn't get mad and do anything crazy.

Is JSW inside Wal Mart as they claim?
No. They're not there. They couldn't operate a school in a different business like that. Come on.

But isn't this just Mrs. Fillet from years ago, as we call her here, ranting about stuff she doesn't know anymore about?
Well, having recently talked to the inspiration for the Fillet clan, they claim they want nothing to do with the cult anymore, and don't talk about it. They aren't us. They would rather let it be in the past. So, no.

They asked if we had connections to My Days in a Bay Area Cult and had somehow been feeding the flames?
No, we're not associated with JH's site at all. But we do feed the smouldering flames of keeping the cult in some sort of limelight to educate.

Does it really matter which ex students post?
No. Not really. Over the past 35 years, at most 9,000 people have gone through the school, which sounds like a lot, but more than two thirds of that, let's say 6,000 of them, never made it to orange belt. One third of them made it to brown belt, which is like red, but only at most 200 have been instructors, having gone to black belt. The current masters are at most 8 or 10, so really we are talking about a small, small school student body, over the years. According to the insiders, they have had about 40 students each year since 2015. Forty. The main school. They have maybe 5 instructors and a master at the school at a given time. Great one on one practice. That's it. So even though they can claim to have almost 10,000 former students over the course of 30 years or more, that number is repeaters and those staying is much smaller. A fraction.

How big was COL in its prime and how big is it now?
In the middle 1990s, COL as the energy class business, when there were 200 students at the Milpitas school, was about half of them were in part time or full time COL, nearly 100 people. At the point of the Inside Edition, it was 50 of them who left, who included Mrs. Fillet's Mom, under her real name, the one that won't comment. Jane though will comment. Full time COL was never larger than 80, as if they kept rolls.

COL is a fraction of what it was, using only 20 or so students but at high levels, giving them master ranks, as using junior students was a bad idea.  So back in the past, they would have those under green belt in COL also, which proved to be a problem. They weren't as committed, had different resolve, and weren't as useful to the cult. But there was an advantage to having a few, as they could play spin doctor and plug the school and recruit.

Does COL still call itself College of Learning or City of Light?
No. They do business as various smaller groups, with names like energy training, special training, extensive or intensive training, and so on. It's COL in different clothing, red coats perhaps. Wink at the red coat story

What is the red coat story?
We can go into that later, but the rumor that we heard was TYK misunderstood a scene from Schindler's List where the girl wearing red was caught because she stood out, so they had better not wear red coats, symbolically, and stand out, as not to get caught. It was more like an analogy to Joseph and the coat of many colors from the Bible, before that, and how he had been sold off to Egypt by his brothers who were jealous of his coat, or power, but who later forgave the brothers. She had mixed the stories. The girl wasn't caught for being different. She was caught for being one of the people the Nazis in the story were after. Joseph from the Bible and his story was not at all like the movie. Joseph rose to power and helped his people.

More to come. EDIT. Most of this is true but there were no updates. 

Case Dismissed with Prejudice in 2008

It has been so many years since this, and so much speculation, but now a retired witness to the whole thing has stepped forward. Yes, that thing. The reason Bullshido even covered the machinations of College of Learning and all their affiliates from 2005 to 2015. The case. That one. 

"I stumbled across your site and assumed you were in the know. I also read some very curious comments from one of my NDA people, so naturally I had to investigate." They said. 

"But don't worry. I am long since retired from all this. I was one of the prosecution on the case of (LWS) and (COL) versus (AG)."

"The statute of limitations of the NDAs expired in 2017, so that was very clever of the poster. So, what do you want to know?" 

We replied. Was (AG) ever posting on Bullshido.org?

"He was not posting there."

Was the case or cases against him false or defamatory?

"With prejudice means there was more than that." 

Was he posting on other aggregate sites? 

"He was posting on a site which was court ordered to be removed. CultMember.com. "

Was he mean to his ex wife, or the accused?

"The allegations against him were dropped. In a court of law, they were proven false." 

How many COL people stood as witnesses to this?

"The CEO and most of her staff were allegedly witnesses. They could not have all been in the same room with the accused. It is not possible. He operated out of state."

We will not say where this was, as it's already known where the other company was. 

So my next question is, was there a settlement in 2008?

"No. Not in this case. The accusers clearly were attempting to destroy the defendant. It was dropped with prejudice. The lawyers for the company refused then to show up, and repealed in anotherr higher court, which also was dropped."

A counter suit indicated a patent issue that had nothing to do with this. It was just the ceo trying to milk money from AG, right?

"I was not part of that case. I do not know."

Was all of this about money?

"It usually is about money. They didn't get anything. He didn't either."

So this actually jells with what (KB) said years ago. 

"Going to assume he has gone on with his life, and stayed out of the spotlight."

Did acting members of the COL and the LWS actually use company time to berate and harass ex students?

"Yes. It's in the cases."

How did you know of this?

"I was involved. I regret it. I advised them not to do that, as it was legally sketchy. If even one of them turned and sued for defamation, they would be in for trouble legally."

The statute of limitations have expired on the whole thing, so in the end, everyone loses.

Maybe some of the ex students were actually trying to educate the masses more than riff on them. Seems they were trying to help for the wrong reasons. But in your opinion, was it justified?

"The former employees and students have every right within free speech to post so long as it is not defamatory. I see nothing defamatory about this site, for instance. It is an archive of those events."

Ha, the only thing I ever got was a divorce summons from them. 

"That's against the law. I take it the limitations have expired on that?"

They have. It was a while ago. I wasn't even married. Ha. 

"Well, then you had nothing to worry about."

Was Bullshido responsible for their bloggers?

"No. According to the terms of service, they were not responsible for anyone posting. That is why unlike the other site, they could not be removed."

And CultSlayerUs? It too was taken down. The first was. 

"You closed that account, not a court order." 

You are good. 

"But it is a good thing OKD disappeared. That was questionable."

Yeah, that was. But to clarify, AG got nothing. TYK got nothing, KK got nothing?

"They got nothing."

Is it even libel?

"No. It was not hate speech. It was free speech. Testimonies of former students, like whistle blowers are protected."  

So we don't use real names. I think I started this just shy of 21. Ha. 

"You and yours are very clever, and decent sleuths. Too bad you never went into the business."

Ha, no. 

End transmission.

EDIT. The term was not with prejudice. It turns out it was dismissed because they weren't legally married. 

That One Post About the Cult will Not Return

 "Is Jung SuWon a Cult a Three Part Drama" will not be returning. This is rather obvious as it uses their real and full names. We cannot repost this but were not told this by anyone in the cult. It was our own people. Our editors were like, do not put that back up. The rest is fine. 

But is it? Yes and no. The school was not directly the cult. It was a door into the special programs that led to the cult. 

In the scifi book series The Martial Sportiest, the COL is portrayed as a Sillian off shoot because there 'Your thoughts create reality'. so they were able to find closure in episodes where Kim was put on trial in an expanded version of the story. Names were changed there. 

City of Light or College of Learning was a clandestine cult within the former American Tae Kwon Do Academy, ATC, which had been rebranded Jung SuWon, which translates roughly to Tae Kwon Do, Bofdy and Mind together. 

We can say this name because it just means Tae Kwon Do. 

So, also there is Jung Shin Tong Il, which also goes to body and mind, but also my book. Yes, buy her book. Ha. 

Unlike my sister, Jane, let's call her, I do not care a whip about 'the blog is not being used much anymore', as the cult must continue to be mocked handily. 

It operated from 1989 to about 2019, but between 2005 and 2012 they were neutered by former students. 

The cult stopped replying after 2009 on the aggregate Bullshido, but their mods claim closer to 2011. That is where their old archive now ends. 

We have the rest. It ran to about 2012 and then stopped while the main mods had new sites like Cult Member to mess with. 

The impact of the Cultslayerus versions cannot be discounted, nor could Kittyki and theirs. 

We all came together as one and brought them down. 

Your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to do research and look into if you should join a martial arts related cult. You might not at first know that's what it is. You might not want to in the first place. 

And we were wrong about one thing, no way there were 5,900 students. It was closer to 2,400. The cult had about 200 though in the prime. 

Be an original. Do not join a cult. Kan sa ha me da. Kate  

Recovered by InspectorFrak

 This is an archive of an old blog by my ex. I've recovered it just to keep the story for giggles. 

Operation Freedom from Cults

 The archive will cover the old COL stories as it was before but under the name Kate instead of Marie. The original archives are gone. 

That Song Book is Nuts

 Jodie's literary professor at last commented on the song book some time later, after the class was over. 

"The academy this person runs is a cult, and the students in it needed to seek mental health, not a fake doctor."  

Is a Ki Master a thing?

"No. If she were Buddhist, she would not think that. She would think nothing at all, and let thoughts wash away, no crate reality."

Is the Korean cribbed from something you can identify?

"Yes, it is from a Korean English learning book printed in South Korea. Most of the phrases in the songs she wrote are just phrases meant to be learned phonetically and then changed to English. It's almost as if she doesn't write Korean 'sounding words' in English well at all. Ironically."  

Like a tourist guide? Or an elementary schoolbook?

"Schoolbook. It's basic pronunciation."

 Well, she did speak Korean quite verbally. Perhaps it was hat she stayed in the US so long she became rusty. 

"You see, Koreans who seek fame tend to overcompensate and exaggerate their importance. It's what they do there. Not all. The ones that are important. Self important. Church leaders, politicians, those in high office, CEOs and cult leaders." 

How could she have mixed up dog lover and cat lover?

"Ha! I do not know. They are very different in Korean." 

Does an honorary doctorate from a literary school in Korea and an award from a satellite school in Korea make you an actual learned doctor? I know the answer. No. 

"Anyone pretending to be a doctor of letters who is making money off that is a fraud. No, it will not make them a doctor." 

The unnamed professor retired with the close of the semester. Heh. 

Jodie barely passed. 

Cult Utterly Finshed by Former Student Bloggers

 COL is gone. Kitt cannot take all the credit. It was a group effort, even if disconnected and unrelated. 

No, my ex was not posting on Bullshido and never was. 

The court case was not dismissed with prejudice, it was never completed. In 2008, when we were all dragged into chambers, the defense team and the judge decided to throw out the case whole cloth. 

We all got a nice long lecture about wasting the civil court's time, and the county's time, for bringing up false allegations against each party. 

Naturally, the prosecution was on the defensive and claimed AG owned TYK money for alleged irreconcilable differences in their marriage. All they had really. No dramatic counter suit from me. I did nothing of the sort. That was all TYK. I wasn't even asked to stand.

The 'trail' never took place. The records you found online were of a dismissed pre court case that never took place, but documents did list a case almost happened. It was indeed tossed out, in that courtroom back room that feature day in 2008.  

COL stopped posing on BS after 2008 and never updated, making the former students continue without news. 

Not going to entertain going into our other sites. No point in that. Sticking to the case. 

Contrary to RA's comments all over the boards, I did not have an affair with AG. TYK made that up. RA was never there. We did not share an apartment. He was the president of a company. He didn't need to share rent. She must think we were on a TV show. TYK does that too. I know. I was there. No apartment, no hanky panky.

Why would he share an apartment with me, or her? Makes no sense. Unless she confused me with someone else. 

Also if there was grounds in the case such as an affair, and it was real, don't you think they would have had a case? See, makes no sense. No, I had been divorced from her third in command. I want to sect that right. 

RA hung out with us, yes, but there was nothing going on between us. Maybe she just assumed we were living together because so much of our time was spent at the same low paying job working for the cult. Must be it. Give her the benefit of the doubt. 

No, there was no counter case for assault. That is ridiculous, even for TYK. We were in a martial arts school. We could not prove that training didn't make us have bruises, so nobody was going to counter with that. 

You cannot have a divorce case counter with a patent case. The two are different cases. TYK having lost the case, sued again for patent. Different case. Even though RA years ago yelled at KK for this online in posts, KK was right. The cases were not counter suits. They were unrelated. 

Also there is the matter that COL denies, TYK was not married to AG, not legally through the state. You cannot claim you have a marriage to get a divorce settlement if you never okayed it with the county and state. She just assumed she was legally married. 

At least mine had been legal. His was not. 

Furthermore, TYK had no business marrying a man half her age. That is gross. 

The threw out the case in 2008 because she was not married to him legally, and it was a waste of time. 

You YSN kids have your fun all these years later, but know that now there is no legal standing, only legendary posts.  

Also, do not pm RA or AG who have moved on. Leave them alone. 

I have no regrets now, only that the old channel I had with you is gone, and the copy is the only one left. Kitt. 

TYK is 79 now. This stuff all blew up in 2005, 20 years ago. She was 59 then. AG was 35. Gross.

Edited post from Kitt this morning. Posting here, not on my main sites. 

I am floored. Penny. 

Sent this to Jodie.