Some of the Kitty Ki archives are included here and are duplicated elsewhere. They comprise three ex students.
Failed
Student
6/15/2010
The
story TYK told originally, in semi-private, was that she and her husband often
fought and she refused him sex except for once a year (when she was younger)
because she wanted to have a child. Her husband finally asked for a divorce,
and she didn't want it, because 'what would people think if she couldn't even
keep her marriage together?' Simple - invent a new story.
According
to TYK at the time, her ex remarried and was very happy, and TYK was very happy
to 'be free'. I guess that didn't last very long.
Now
as 'twas told to me by TYK:
She
told me of her plans to move away from Vermont and build her temple etc. I
asked about her husband and she basically said he wasn't part of it, but that
she and her "boys" would be together, they would take care of her,
and after she died, it didn't matter about them.
In
the interest of decency, I will not comment on their sex life.
kittyki
6/15/2010
Failed
Student, in the beginning, when my friend trained during the early days of the
Milpitas school and the infamous 'Silent Master' handbook appeared, which I
have here, it said that Fontaine was still referenced. The first 'Way of the
Warrior' videos had come out, along with 'ATC terminology'. The ex husband wasn't
as mired in fabrications then. She knew full well they called it off. She
didn't claim her in laws were 'racist' then. She did blame her parents for her
upbringing, even though she came from Korea through her husband and her
parents, all setting in Vermont, as you indicated, and others did. True. It's
confirmed. So I cannot figure out why she insists on changing her story.
Perhaps Yeoman on here years ago was right. She's just pathological.
Shadow
Dancer
7/24/2010
I
have a suggestion for Kimper's next Kaper. She has been thinking too small. I
remember when she was given a black belt, poster, and plastic key ring from
some obscure martial arts federation... she compared it to the Nobel Prize. It
got me thinking...
Nominations
and deliberations surrounding the Nobel prize are sealed for 50 years. Why not
have Scotty send a letter to the Nobel committee nominating kimmy. Then they
could claim that kimpers is under consideration for the Nobel Prize. She could
blather about her knowledge of da enagi and claim that the category she is in
consideration for is particle physics. LWS could claim that Dr. Kim (who heads
a company that makes laser particle detectors) has extensive knowledge of the
subject. She or Scottums could browbeat all of the employees into writing
glowing letters about her.
Think
about what a coup this would be. I'm sure the bogus nature of this will be no
problem for her flexible morals.
May
kimmy's salvation in the here-after be as real as her achievements in this
world.
carson
7/24/2010
Oh
my, Shadow, this is a good one, and would be excellent if it weren't so sadly
the truth. I won't be surprised if the Nobel Prize consideration shows up on
TYK / JSW web pages in the very near future. They're already claiming one
'similar to the Nobel Peace Prize'. It's so sad. She really does have some
actual accomplishments. Unfortunately, all the trumped-up ones and the hype
destroys the honor of the real ones.
Shadow
Dancer
7/24/2010
Unfortunately,
all the trumped-up ones and the hype destroys the honor of the real ones.
Hi
Carson. I'm having some trouble remembering which of her honors is legit and
worthwhile. I've tried to think back myself, but find that every one I can
remember is either bogus or obtained under questionable circumstances. Her
efforts in "Just Say No" were all terminated after her photo op was
finished. All that she did was march in a parade while the rest of us did the
foot work. Her participation with cancer survivors seems particularly despicable
since all the the times she said she was getting cancer treatment, it was
either plastic surgery or vacation trips overseas.
Hey...
another idea... Scotty can create the 'Noble" prize (instead of Nobel). He
could then award her with it and with her pidgeon english, no one will the know
the difference between Nobel and Noble.
kittyki
8/08/2010
7:01pm,
Hello
all! Jane here. Ahem. Well I'm not really Jane but you figured that out. And it
wasn't Clare who blocked me out. It was the admin. But now that is worked out.
It seems someone tried to prevent me from posting because they thought I was a
spammer. I am not JH nor was I in the navy. All I was going with the Facebook
was trying to make a neutral place where more JSW stuff could be discussed
openly with no COL intervention. I was really worried I wouldn't be able to
post here.
Clare outted me (and Adam) to Fell and Palmer. The neutral site is a bust because now they know so I can't post any friends there. I should have come to you first. I should have asked your permission. And my computer was down for 2 weeks. You all assumed that I was stalking and trolling. I understand your paranoia. Believe me. The stories you had got me paranoid too. Shadow is right. I know an enthusiastic former student who wants to reach out. Now that you've pretty much destroyed his ability to reach out, and remain neutral, (Clare and Ryan), thinking him some kind of troll, well that's just great. Now he has tried to contact Shadow and the others. So far they've blocked him. I don't blame you for doing it. I only ask for your okay to remain here.
Clare outted me (and Adam) to Fell and Palmer. The neutral site is a bust because now they know so I can't post any friends there. I should have come to you first. I should have asked your permission. And my computer was down for 2 weeks. You all assumed that I was stalking and trolling. I understand your paranoia. Believe me. The stories you had got me paranoid too. Shadow is right. I know an enthusiastic former student who wants to reach out. Now that you've pretty much destroyed his ability to reach out, and remain neutral, (Clare and Ryan), thinking him some kind of troll, well that's just great. Now he has tried to contact Shadow and the others. So far they've blocked him. I don't blame you for doing it. I only ask for your okay to remain here.
And
Adam G says hi. The Adam G you were mentioning a lot, and that was a court case
about a particle unit not about a domestic violence thing. Adam G had a
particle counter that looked like one Lighthouse had and so got sued, but it
was settled. No harm, no foul.
Trying
to out me and my friend on here has also alerted JSW people who STILL read this
thread. Thanks a lot. But it's still okay. I forgive you. I can't say the same
for the former black belt who knew a whole LOT of dirt, and now you've closed
that door.
And
I have crap spelling sometimes. My name got misspelled.
kittyki
8/09/2010
1:39am,
Okay,
ready for some tidbits? AB has insiders as Facebook friends but never hears
from them. Only recently did AG contact him, but it was just to say hi. Heard
from the third JH (mom of AT) but she did not want to talk to him because she
assumed he was 'still in'. Same for AT. He is not still in. None of those
'current students' contacted him in the past 4 months. Only by luck did he
happen to be at the mall when some of them were there last June, and they
didn't bring up the net. Most of them ignored him. JP even said he doesn't go
on the net, but just to post parkour videos. Those haven't been updated since.
SAK continues to put up wordpress ads but they're old and no she never talks to AB, ever since an email he sent in 2009 where he 'accidentally' offended MBF after finding out he remarried and had to apologize (even though he no longer trains). I'm thinking they're just not interested in you guys as much as you think. They're watching but they don't really care. Some of them are probably looking for unkind things to report. Nothing more.
SAK continues to put up wordpress ads but they're old and no she never talks to AB, ever since an email he sent in 2009 where he 'accidentally' offended MBF after finding out he remarried and had to apologize (even though he no longer trains). I'm thinking they're just not interested in you guys as much as you think. They're watching but they don't really care. Some of them are probably looking for unkind things to report. Nothing more.
And
from an outsider's perspective I think it's truly sad how TYK has behaved to
couples and married people in her school, like Shadow's family and Carson and
how she had to meddle with bemused at CA and then JH (AT's mom) and the like.
Yeah I figured out the initials. It's not that hard. AB told me. I hope you
have all found freedom and happiness somehow.
And
were I actually in, I would have been in Yung Sa just after Clare left, but not
for long. I would have been too old. But since I was not, no worries. I know
next to nothing about JDSM and MA and since MA is out (or might not be) I'm not
discussing that.
We
are not here to point fingers at each other but to find new gossip on her royal
hind end, Kimmy. And to that end, until later, good morning.
Another
thing I did was rip into all those silly parables TYK used to write. For a day
they were on the Jane site. Ryan must have thought they actually proved I was
in, but actually they only proved I knew someone that had once been, which alas
you knew.
"If
you burn this paper it is gone. See, it no longer exists! That means it's
magic." Well actually it does still exist. It is now ash. Ha. That kind of
thing. AB told me and it was on Youtube also for a while.
bemused
8/12/2010
12:23pm,
Ah,
relationships and acronyms. Such were the nature of TYK's control.
At
first, it appeared that no one in COL had relationships except the Gs and the
Ls, who were married before they joined. Although I suspected, even as a
beginning student, that TYK and MM were together (this was confirmed by an
earlier poster). Celibacy seemed to be the order of the day for those of us of
insufficient spiritual strength.
But
then SHS-ES and DP-KW were announced, and after that relationships
proliferated. After the breakup of her marriage, ES was assigned to SHS;
apparently she was more pleased with this than he was. KW was with DP until he
left, then with MF, then briefly with AG. AG was with TYK herself, but also had
encounters with HC, AP, KW, and perhaps more women. I could go on. TYK tried to
regulate and limit couples' intimacy so the focus would remain on her, although
there was some sneaking around behind her back. And I think she liked breaking
up marriages just for the sheer power of it.
CA
and I chose each other, but we were limited in how much time we could spend and
how intimate we could get. At first, he seemed eager for any contact with me,
but as the years went by, he became more and more of a workaholic, and finally,
at the end, I wasn't sure if we still had a relationship or not. I broke up
with him via email because it was the only way I could reach him at all. Sad.
Naming
is what parents do, and I think TYK liked to take the place of the parents of
her students. Someone in a previous post said that TYK renamed a few people who
were running away from creditors, then renamed more to cover that up.
As
for me, I was RS when I started training. She renamed me JS (different S). When
I got married about two years after I left, I took the opportunity to change my
name again. I put together the R from before COL, the J from COL, and the P from
my husband after COL, becoming RJP. I tried to integrate my fractured name the
way I've tried to integrate my fractured life.
Rossanna
8/12/2010
Adam
G. The case with Kim was about the remote particle counter which Adam countered
with a palimony suit as well as a host of other stuff. They settled out of
court. The domestic violence thing was a restraining order slapped on by KW
because of an incident that occurred while they were both still at LWS and in a
relationship. TRO lasted a year and wasn't renewed. They have talked things
out, apologies were made on both ends and it's done. This has nothing to do
with Kim. It was an issue between the 2 of them and best left out of the
discussion. Both have moved on and are content with their respective lives.
Neither are interested in being a part of this so please respect that.
9/19/2010
kittyki
Hello All:
TYK often would misquote the Bible, and
low to anyone who corrected her and said, 'That's not that it means'. Several
of Jesus' deciples were asked to drop everything to follow him, but the bottom
line is TYK is not and never will be Jesus. If she is implying she is 'like
Jesus' there is something seriously wrong. One time I lectured her on how to
actually be humble. I had to back down though. If she wants to be like Jesus
then she should be willing to drop all of her old ways, her ties (to riches and
such) and become like the 'least of these'. But even doing charity work
(dressed in her best clothes of course) isn't going to get her into Heaven.
Jesus also frowned upon those who would make themselves look good before God,
such as the Pharisees and their rituals. Even though she pretends to be humble,
and probably helps a few, the other sins and omissions far outweigh the rest.
10/19/2010
kittyki
After TYK got her city council party
and showed off her San Jose do jang and lighthouse, (2004 about), and the
Koreans were running about all evening, there was a karaoke night where I
attended but someone had rigged the machine ti play too fast, so it didn't go
over too well. The Korean men were from the place that promoted TYK to 'Great
Grandmaster', and she ordered the instructors to be extremely nice to them, but
at the same time some of the then current COLs were not nice, and behind her
they smarted off and made remarks about the men.
At the time, my Dad was bedridden (as
he was off and on until he passed away in 2009), but that night he had the
pneumonia really bad and was sick because of that. Anyway, TYK ordered all of
the black belts to come to Stargazer after the party. Nobody was to leave. They
were to go with her to special training, including a gig first thing in the
morning.
She had promoted many of her black
belts for the party (and dignitaries) and expected all of them to be there, so
it was up from 17 black belts to about 28. She couldn't keep track of everyone,
just those in COL, so because I was not in COL I made a discrete exit from the
lighthouse side (of San Jose) at about midnight. (I got my official black belt
3 years earlier).
Anyway, JW (now a master for the
celebration) was entrusted with calling back any black belts who left, but he
didn't get around to me until 3 am. He called my home phone at 3 am! Mom woke
up. Dad wasn't sleeping anyway. He was mad that the black belts could not wait
around for special class all night! This was on TYK's orders . He thought I was
COL (or part time COL as you call it), so I had to be there. I gave it right
back to him. I told him that my Dad was sick and that he had no business
calling my house at 3 am. He was quite flabbergasted. I said I would come to
the event in the morning provided he not remind me again.
Then at about 7am I appeared at the San
Jose do jang with the others, where PN was commenting on the Korean guests from
last night, making racial remarks next to JW, which was bizarre he did that.
Then SHS and the others packed in to go
to Stargazer, but they said that they heard about last night and didn't need me
to attend. Not that they apologized for JW's insane 3 am call, but that I had
talked back to an instructor.
A
little later, MBF turned around and apologized for the 3 am call, only because
he didn't realize I wasn't in COL and also Dad was sick (even though they knew
from last night when I left). The word didn't get to the minions apparently and
one of them acted without thinking. Nice of MBF to clear that up, but not so
nice that it happened in the first place.
I was not kicked out or anything for
that, nor was any kind of 'hard training class' issued afterward. I was a part
time COL, not a live in, so I was not mistreated. Also it would have looked
incredibly bad if they had.
10/19/2010
kittyki
It doesn't make sense that TYK would
favor some people and not others, and have hissy fits and turn around and act
humble, but supposing she is in fact out to lunch, that might explain it. Also
she was meaner to the COL women than the men, obviously in class. I actually
found it annoying that I was put in the spotlight on occasion, brought out like
a trophy during testings, and made to look like 'Look at what TYK did! She
helped me!' Not at what I did to train and achieve, but what TYK did to get me
there. (It was a good thing she was there, but so many other people didn't get
a fair shake, and they were not given credit, just for speaking out). I was
somewhat protected from the craxy stuff but certainly heard about it and saw
it, especially given higher rank.
I tend to be too honest for my own good
because lying is foolish, but I do exaggerate events I've seen sometimes
because I get wrapped up in them.
She didn't train students in a vacuum
and there was gossip and there were words spoken many times. I was not in COL
because it already sounded creepy by 1997, and the warning sings were right
there. But I was a black belt and when that happened I was 'part time' in the
know, so they figured I was worthy to hear even more.
It's much better to leave on a good
note there than it is to have bitter resentments. Still I understand that some
of you left under extremely frakked up conditions after enduring all manner of
torments. That does suck. I hope you find some kind of closure.
It was supposed to be an honor to be
called up early in the morning and told about class. Eventually they used email
which could be ignored! Lol.
10/19/2010
kittyki
I was just thinking of something else.
Why would TYK deliberately ask for a critical mockery of herself in class? Then
why would she administer a ration of bad galbi when she didn't like being the
brunt of jokes? It's like, here make a 'celebrity roast of me' but don't say
anything bad. Man, that was a weird class. I remember that even more vividly
now since you mentioned it. I guess they didn't go after me because I didn't
say anything.
Besides, if Shadow was there he would
have been the funniest of all. He really can do the imitations. :)
'You weel take zhe schitck', 'columlus
discuber amerca', 'glandmaster'...just to name a few.
10/19/2010
carson
The beating incident I wrote about
happened at Stargazer, and the only participants were COL. It was early in
2004, I believe, perhaps at the Lunar New Year program but I'm not sure.
I left on Nov 1, 2004, so if the event
you spoke about above (with the Korean dignateries and 3 am phone call) was in
2004, it must have been late in the year as I don't remember it. TYK did try to
make us feel special if she 'gave' us such 'opportunities'. TYK would often say
that she was hardest only on those who were 'strong', 'connected' with her, or
whom she trusted, and whom she loved the most! It made us want to be abused as it
'proved' she cared about us and we were 'worthy'.
11/09/2010
bemused
Many facts of life in COL caused mild
cognitive impairment, which was reversible but chronic. The most common was
sleep deprivation. TYK criticized those who pleaded for six hours of sleep,
claiming that "her energy" could cause us to need less.
Very intense exercise without
sufficient rest can also cause temporary impairment. Slow exercises such as
walking or yoga burn more fat, but the more intense the exercise, the more
glucose it burns. The brain runs only on glucose, so intense exercise forces
the brain to compete with the muscles.
I don't think it was intentional in
most cases, but our everyday diet was low in protein. At special meals at
barbecue parties or restaurants we would eat meat, but most of the time we
couldn't afford it. Early on when we got grocery allowances, SHS tried to limit
our expenses, and later when we didn't get grocery allowances, we were on our
own coping with paltry pay and excessive class fees, which squeezed out
expensive foods in our budgets.
Then there was the intentional
infliction of crazy diets or fasts. Occasionally a guest athlete on a special
program would be told to eat a lot of meat, but other diets used as
punishments, "purifications," or weight loss programs included little
or no meat, or even tofu. Some included just rice porridge for weeks on end, or
one apple a day and nothing else.
Finally, there was infliction of
emotional distress in the form of humiliation, often in front of a group
instructed to agree with TYK. Intense emotion undermines reason. It can also
sometimes paradoxically cause euphoria after a while because of the adrenalin,
sort of like skydiving does.
A fully sharp mind is very aware of
reality, including its unpleasant aspects. Cognitive impairment dulls awareness
of reality, which can cause complacency, if not euphoria.
Interesting post, Shadow. I too wish
there was a way to awaken their minds. But those of us who got out show that
minds do awaken, sooner or later, and more often than not.
11/19/2010
hyeongsa
Shadow, clearly the first statement
"A person who does what is right, regardless of what another person
says" is that of one who is more a warrior and the master of their own
life. I might add, this is also indicative of a person of character and
integrity. This continues to be a dilemma for those still in COL. You are
forced to do things that you know are just plain wrong and to agree with TYK's
absurd statements.
For example, having to apply for and
accept unemployment money while working for Lighthouse. You know it is wrong
and still, during those years many were doing it. Or, being told to tell
someone that they looked great after TYK cut their hair and applied make-up to
them, that they looked amazing while in your heart, you know that TYK just made
them look really lame. OK, in the second example, maybe it could be excused
simply to spare the person's feelings.
TYK always said we must follow her
blindly to show our "trust" in our master. It's one thing to believe
in someone and tell them they can kick higher in order to encourage them and
get them to strive. Yet it is quite another to get someone to believe that
lying, cheating and stealing is OK if it is for TYK's "purpose".
Everyone there has a conscience and
having to constantly not listen to your inner voice telling you "this is
wrong" causes a numbing affect as the years go by. This combined with
someone constantly dictating every aspect of your life makes for a distorted
view of life and reality. When you leave, this is pretty hard to deal with. You
begin to question things and decisions that normal people don't even think
twice about.
I guess you had to be there to
understand what I'm talking about. Or, in some kind of other cult. To those who
are there and may be reading this, it isn't too late. Next time you meditate,
don't put TYK in your mind and focus on her. Instead, ask God to show you the
truth and seek Him. Think clearly. Find the real you and separate from the fake
warrior TYK has made you to be. Like Shadow's example, which is the true
warrior?
11/20/2010
kungfu4u
Hyeongsa, I believe TYK called it
“blind faith”. Trust in everything that I say “unconditionally” in the name of
“purpose” and “God’s mission” and your soul will be cleansed from all of your
past life wrongdoings. “Don’t follow as I say, then mark my words, you will repeat
this life 100 lifetimes over again.”
I recall the first time TYK told me the
way to boil a frog was to apply heat to the pot slowly until the frog boils. I
was brainwashed and conditioned to say “Yes M’am” by that point in my
“training” and my own thinking had lessened because TYK was filling my head
with what I was supposed to be thinking. Those that TYK put into the pot too
quickly would see that she was trying to cook their minds and would jump out of
the pot. But the rest of us that lacked something in our life ended up living a
life of servitude and abuse. TYK was our abuser and she numbed our emotions,
thoughts, habits, originality, relationships and tried to control every part of
our lives from what we ate, where we slept, when we slept, what we did, who we
associated with, who we drove with, what we listened to and more. We were told
not to listen to the radio, we didn’t have access to watch TV and we were
controlled in a modern society Silicon Valley cult.
TYK’s visions of world domination,
being the most successful person in the world, on Oprah, the president of Korea
and impressing us with “special guests” were just more ways to manipulate us.
How many special guests visited that never came of anything other than an
overpriced dinner and a whole lot of lot of hard work?
Someday the real story of TYK will be
on Discovery or some program that will show her life from Korea to Vermont,
from the Silicon Valley Master to the Silicon Valley Micro Cult Leader living
within the Fremont foothills mind controlling, brainwashing and abusing her
“disciples”.
1/29/2011
kittyki
The first year I left I did have a lot
of dreams where I was 'late for class' and got into trouble like I was a junior
belt or something. When I was really into training and a young adult I had
dreams about being lost or searching for others who were lost there. Yeah, it
doesn't make sense to analyze it, but it was so vivid! And to an extent I
wasn't able to be hypnotized, so I guess my subconscious said, if you really
weren't sucked in, why did you not do very much to get out? Well, obviously TYK
had a lot of influence and it would have been impossible to buck the system.
I've never had naughty dreams about her. Eeewww! Just the thought of that even
when I was 20 and a green belt is nasty! I knew I couldn't have handled it. Ha.
FS, I never dreamed about me harming them but about others doing it. I was
never that angry about them because I didn't know really what horrors were
going on inside those COL houses, just rumors, until I was a black belt for a
while and heard rumors. Then this site and others appeared. Heh.
4/15/2011
kittyki
I met killings as in 'violence mobs
do'. Nobody has been offed. That's a good thing. Too bad nobody went to the
police with that info at the time. What was that, 25 years ago? She hasn't done
it since. Has she? Can you prove this to say some authorities? Kathy has some
kind of special connection and for some reason got picked on more than anyone
else. Not sure why. Maybe she knew too much.
The only thing that ever happened to me
while I was training is a mistaken identity. Someone flattened one of my truck
tires with a sharp object during class and after class, everyone heard about
it, because it was one of those new '95 Dodge Ram trucks and it had new tires.
They got the wrong student. I was loyal at the time and did not make waves. I
was 24. I didn't think anyone at the school did it. Kathy mentioned then that
some vandalism happened to her around that time, and I thought maybe the same
vandals accidentally mistook my car for a bad student's car. But there was no
way to prove anything. It was parked next to the police station and everything.
Could have been someone thought it was a cop's car. I don't know. But the
station was right across from the do jang and the truck out the window.
So it is also likely that the same
fools did Kathy's car and then mine later. Could be it was just jerk kids. It
wasn't far from a high school. Could be in her case it was just kids. In your
case however, could be it was some of TYK's personal thugs.
FS, what was it like in the
neighborhood of your do jang? Was it a good area? Was there a slim chance it
could have been just jerk kids? Or did the culprit had the balls to sign his
name on the brick? That would get his ass in jail, one would think.
4/15/2011
kittyki
The idea that TYK blatantly ordered her
sycophants to knowingly discredit or vandalize others if messed up. That was
the most shocking thing on the blog. The active students did not see her hissy
fitas directly. I saw some of them toward the end of my tenure. But I'd lay
odds that they're capable of it, judging by their insane comments in reply to
you guys years ago, and that they were actively trying to off the cultmaster
site (which they did) and pissed off San Jose (which they did) and Milpitas
before that. The shady pyramid scams and the incidents of people losing
millions were somewhat known to students, but were spun to make it look like
they were something else.
They even made it sound like Kathy was
going to off TYK once. She sas out of town! I remember that, not just her
mentioning it on the blog, and that TYK had a fit about it in class. So there
was this odd thing. I think she must have known too much from being in COL so
they made up stuff about her.
4/16/2011
Kathy Kim
I
made several police reports....they came after me many times. Yes she really
hates me. I knew secrets, and I let them all out. I won an IRS case against
her. She tried saying I was a contract employee...they didn't want to pay my
taxes. Good thing I keep paperwork..I won the case. She had to pay and was
fined. Spencer left her because of her lies. I'm the one that told him, and he
confirmed the lies and got the annulment. They tried to scare me and keep me
from testifying. That is the main reason she hates me. I showed the police
where scott wrote on a piece of paper about FS and checking her out and her
car. I also told them who was told to do that. I heard about everyone on the
roof looking for me to cause her harm...I proved I was in North Carolina........I
wonder who got in trouble for that?
4/17/2011
kittyki
Hi Kathy! I do remember the roof
incident, or one of them, and no, it wasn't everyone on the roof. CL, MP, maybe
KMC, and the like, but not everyone. I didn't go up onto the roof. None of the
juniors went. I do remember MP playing guard during testings and TYK being
paranoid about you. I didn't really think you were around, or like that.
They were probably on their best
behavior during the 19 years in Milpitas, when the city came around or when the
cops did, because the police station was right there on the corner.
They spun a lot about former students
on the self-discovery weekends, but never really named FS. I really don't know
who you are, FS because we never met. And that's all right.
Kathy, I saw bemused recently. She was
doing a CD night at a local coffee shop. The coffee shop dream I had must have
been a preamble to going to that night, but it was different.
I remember about Spencer too, and about
Adam G (both are about my age). Also there was the time MH saw my parents and I
at an ice cream parlor in the 1990s and was upset about losing her money. That
was as it turned out the girl who lost a million or something to TYK. We did
not at the time put it together. Nor did we when the scams started. I just
didn't choose to join the scams, like IDN, which they didn't like.
But they never hated me because I was
like their poster boy and training helped me a lot, but I was protected to an
extent from all the seamy under the table stuff. Regular students were not
privy to the COL stuff. I had only a part time thing there, and never lived
with them, so they never controlled me.
Also it helped that my Dad was a former
local politician and they didn't dare do anything or the city would get mad.
They did not act like a mob when they
were doing business as usual, but they were likely into some interesting
naughty bits.
I think big MP liked to pretend he was
a secret agent because he liked James Bond. He still has on those glasses on
his Facebook.
4/20/2011
Shadow Dancer
Quote:
Originally Posted by bemused View Post
It may be harder to leave now than it
was when I did. The economy is bad, they've been in for much of their lives,
and LMBP has various ways of trapping them, including marrying them with each
other.
She also has them believing that the
outside world is out to get them and that their only safe refuge is with her,
as she has mystical abilities to read portents and omens. They are now all
absorbed children living in a tree-house believing that they are alone and
brave.
LMBP has gotten them away from the
ability to think for themselves. They look to her for advice on what to eat,
who to date, what to wear, where to work, where to live, when to wake up, when
to go to bed, who to talk to, who to shun, what the bible says, what car to
buy, who to donate to, how to vote, etc. The really ironic thing is that they
think that they are the masters of their lives. She reinforces her control with
alternating hissy-fits and a few words of praise. They literally cannot survive
without her. In some ways, they are better off with her now as they are unable
to live in the real-world. Taking them away from the only environment they have
known for decades would probably cause more harm than good.
4/20/2011
bemused
Failed Student is the optimist, Shadow
Dancer the pessimist. I tend to agree with Failed Student. All the minions
still have the potential to find themselves and leave. Whether they will is
anyone's guess. For me, leaving was hard at first, but I am stronger for having
rebuilt my life.
4/27/2011
Shadow Dancer
In all honesty, do we really expect
kimmie's foundation to be of any benefit other than to her? She needs a
continual chorus telling her how generous, or talented, or beautiful, or wise,
or skilled she is. She did something similar with the "Just Say No"
rally in DC. Everyone was pressured into going out and grovelling for
donations. Kimmie marched through the streets of Milpitas with cheering throngs
of students behind her. We all then went to DC. She stayed in a glorious hotel
and all the minions who did the work got to sleep in a cockroach haven. At the
Mall, kimmie shouted her blather and some students broke a few bricks and did a
few forms. Kimmie got her photo op, the students got the bill, and no one ever
mentioned the "Just Say No" program again, as it had served it's
purpose of 'promoting glandmaster'.
4/30/2011
Failed Student
In Vermont, TYK (Kyong-Ae) used to
squeeze the last drop of energy out of her minions also. There was a Korean
master in Florida (who, by the way, had a mail-order PhD) which he proudly
displayed at his dojang. Yes, I know his name but will not publish it here..
Anyhoo, SHS, MBF, WHH drove from Vermont to Florida to be at the grand opening of his new dojang. They were exhausted from no sleep, but madame made them do some breaking and sparring. It went badly - SHS usually could break bottles, but not on this occasion. The sparring was in slow mo...After the event was over and we had some food that was brought by parents of the students, we headed north - five of us packed into SHS's VW Jetta...non-stop, each of us driving for a few hours.
At one point, somewhere around CT, MBF did drift off the road but woke up in time, and gave me the wheel. It was one ride from hell from start to finish...somewhere in the south, SHS got a speeding ticket and we paid up on the spot rather than wait for a few days and go to court. What a racket that is, but in truth, he was speeding. Rather than use the interstate to avoid NYC, SHS decided to go through all that traffic, tunnels, and noise, which added a few more unpleasant hours to the trip. Of course, madame snoozed all the way as she did not have to drive. When we finally reached VT, another diversion...instead of getting to our homes, madame decided to go to a local quarry where we (illegally) swam and trained during the summer.
Of course, I was tricked into even going on this trip...I flew down to FLA with her and was supposed to fly back the next day, but surprise, surprise - her three minions appeared, and I was obligated to take the grueling trip back with them. Not only did I have to stay awake, I had to listen to some damned tape of a Buddhist priest chanting - over and over again, until I thought I would go insane. Talk about brainwashing.......
qui spiritum non moritur
6/30/2011
bemused
Quite a few people have made dents in
her armor. Her lover cheated on her, so she kicked him out and then sued him.
He countersued, and the legal fight left them both financially drained. Before
that, she tried to marry the son of a rich man, who was half her age, and when
he found out she was lying about her fertility he annulled the marriage. Kimmie
also talked a young heiress out of her inheritance, then the heiress sued to
get it back and was apparently successful. And there have been various other
legal skirmishes along the way. She has deep pockets due to the contributions
of money and labor from her followers.
The biggest dent I witnessed was an
episode of Inside Edition that aired in 1998. It accused Kimmie of being a cult
leader, but for those of us who really were "inside," it barely
scratched the surface. Still, it gave her lots of bad publicity and caused a
mass defection from her inner circle--about a third of the members left.
Much earlier, when Kimmie was in
Vermont, some students conspired to take over her school, and she kicked them
all out. Kimmie tells it like the student leader was trying to start his own
cult, and maybe he was, but she probably did something to provoke them along
the lines of what she did later in California.
But none of these situations have
humbled her or caused her to reflect on her actions. Sure, sometimes she cries
about the latest knock she has taken, but this is to evoke pity, not to repent.
And often these situations make her worse because of that persecution complex I
mentioned. Not only that, but if she were physically attacked she could really
play the sympathy card, and probably get a lot of sympathy. Regardless of the
attacker's intent, he would most likely come off looking like a thug.
There's no hope of stopping her from
being motivated to act as she does. Maybe she'll bilk the wrong rich student,
be dragged into court, and end up truly broke. Maybe the violence or fraud will
go too far, someone will call the cops, and she'll end up in jail. But these
scenarios are unlikely, given the secrecy around her and the shame that
ex-students often feel. The best hope of stopping her is to inform people of
her true nature and actions, so fewer people will be taken in by her. It is
said that light is the best disinfectant.
6/30/2011
Failed Student
If I may add a bit of input from
Vermont -
No one conspired to take over her
school..At the time the school was her brother's and she taught there also. It
was SHE that broke off from the brother and started her own school, with my
help and that of SHS,WHH, MBF, and RLL. (There was also some unhappiness with
her brother from some other students prior to that and they started their own
informal group, which was led by a male orderly af the medical center here)
There are some things I cannot post about the brother - well I could - but in
the interest of keeping to the primary subject of madame, I won't.
As far as that expose back in 1998, I
received a phone call from the media but I did not respond to the message on my
answering machine. At that time, I had no interest in giving my input or going
out to California at the media's expense and being filmed for this. It would
have come to naught anyway. I have only started speaking out since I found the
Bullshido thread which I have found very enlightening - finding out that madame
progresses to get nastier as she ages and gains more followers. I am glad
however that a group of her followers did break away at the time of the expose.
7/25/2011
Kathy Kim
Quote:
Originally Posted by Failed Student
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Oh fer crissakes - I don't know who did
the write up for TKD Times about this event, which was dated July 13, but I see
madame hauled out all the politicians she could, as well as that questionable
Order of Constantine person, etc etc. for the event. Also a Catholic priest for
an opening prayer...WTF?
Maybe a talk with my bishop about the cult she runs will find out why a priest is there? Priests, just like people that are newly joined there, don't know the truth about her. Because you can have no other Gods before you. You certainly can't bow to someone. Christian's believe that everyone is equal. She does not promote that. Where is her humbleness. I think I will check into it. You can't be half a Christian. And if you don't follow what you are supposed to do, you will suffer twice as bad when you die. Because you openly know the truth and don't follow it. Just like when you take communion and you are not in the state of grace, One of the worse sins. Does she read that in the Bible? Or does she puts her spin on it, like she did on everything else? I love my Catholic faith and I really don't like when someone doesn't respect it. You don't have to be Catholic...but if you profess to be, you need to be practicing it totally by God's rules, not your own. I will get back to you when I find out anything.
Michael's final post, or was it him?
8/24/2011
kittyki
Dear Users of BS: You have been
flogged. I have hacked into former student Adam Browne's accounts and have used
his password to log on as Kittyki. I have done so off and on since 2010 and he
never checked, assuming his friend wrote all the longer stuff. He is such an
ass. Now his friend has dumped him because I hacked the guy too. I used to be a
student at JSW too so some of the stuff I recalled. I did not like his comment
about other students, especially where I was mentioned. I think he is evil for
posting about how TYK is bad. The cult has not existed since 2007 but you all
persist. I will stop coming here now that Adam has severed all ties to his
friend, who I was after also. I will also close off this password. Phrost had
best to delete kittyki, or keep him around for his amusement. I meant to hurt
Adam because he was mean in sparring. He was my instructor once and always
wanted me to do better. Nothing pleased me. I blame him and them too for this.
I am sorry for making fun of TYK but we were told what to do and say. That is
true. I xstole his journals during the move and also from his computers, of
which I then crashed. I also used a proxy server to make it look like it was
him. I was easily abile to do this. I am not Adam. He is an ass. I do not blame
you for outing me, bemused. I am kind opf grateful. Now you knopw we were, are,
and still watching, but in good conscience I can no longer post here. Sorry I
guess to Asdam. I still hated him as a teacher ut thast's no reason to hack
him. I am being told to write this by my Mom. She told me if I did not write
this I was going to be grounded for a year. I stopped training long ago but
still had mad skills and was using them to help yungsa and col. No more. Screw
them too. And Sarah, I'm not Adam. Sorry if I told you to f off. MP.
*My son is stikll going to be grounded. I
can't believe he did this to Adam Browne. Apologies. I will not give my name.
In other words, when a sociopath is
called to account, he or she typically turns it around and acts as if he or she
were the victim. This is the classic pity play.
9/13/2011 3:46pm,
bemused
It's another slow day, so I'll continue
with the same line of thought.
After SE left, after DP left, after
Inside Edition aired, and after a few other crises, Kimmie called COL together
for a good cry. She talked about how she was only human and trying to do the
best she could (even though we couldn't hope to understand her exalted wisdom).
She said she wished that these ungrateful people who had betrayed her had
talked to her before taking the actions that they did (as if she would have
acted on any advice). She even asked COL to tell her if she had done anything
wrong (of course, everyone said, "Oh no Ma'am!").
I thought at the time that she was
revealing her real self to those privileged students whom she loved and trusted
the most. Looking back, it seems like just one more way that she kept her
students from questioning her actions. After all, it's the height of meanness
to kick someone when they're down, especially if they're so tearfully,
pathetically remorseful. Even to have said, "Maybe you shouldn't
have..." with preventive intent would have been considered presumptuous
and insensitive.
After JL and ML vanished one day, she
begged COL "not to leave like a thief in the night." Trouble is, she
set it up so it was hard to leave in any other way. If you tried to leave you
got the pity play. If you left and came back, you groveled for the privilege of
getting disciplined. Jdms's story (in part 1) of leaving is a good example.
Kimmie reeled Jdms back in with tears, sweet talk, and promises of reform that
she never intended to and didn't keep.
I tried to leave honorably but was
guilt-tripped when I tried to give two points of mild feedback (MBF compared it
to "two thumbtacks in her arm"). I was asked to write my own
Lighthouse letter of reference for them to sign, but it was then edited down to
triviality (my end run was to contact DP). About my musical aspirations Kimmie
said, "Follow your dream," but it was clear from her tone of voice
that she was not supportive but contemptuous. What dream could possibly be
better than hers?
I didn't consciously intend to
manipulate Kimmie into letting me go, but that was the result. When she told me
to find an apartment, I didn't beg her to reconsider. If she had wanted me to
stay, SHE would have had to beg ME, which she wasn't prepared to do. I guess
she doesn't like to pull the pity play if it means swallowing her pride. Or
maybe she just shrewdly assessed my value. I guess I wasn't very useful to her
at that point, because to my knowledge she didn't cry a puddle of tears over
me.
9/13/2011 4:09pm,
Failed Student
TYK is manipulative to say the least. I
saw that here in Vermont in my own experience. She suspended me from martial
arts training for three months, admonished everyone not to have any contact
with me, but within hours of my banishment she was trying to reach me by phone.
She wanted it both ways - wanted me to be in touch with her although no one
else was allowed to do so. Her plan was to make me feel miserable about not
being able to train and then have me come back after the three months and be
groveling at her feet, grateful to be back in the fold. It didn't work, I
reveled in my freedom and have never looked back. That is not to say I still
don't have occasional nightmares about this, but that whole experience has made
me a very strong person. No one dares with me again...either from the cult
or any other situation.
9/13/2011 4:53pm,
bemused
Every COL student who leaves represents
a loss of investment and revenue to Kimmie, and without her COL students she
wouldn't have Lighthouse, her only cash cow, yet when her mistreatment of a
student comes back to bite her in the butt, she doesn't learn.
All the yelling, humiliation,
overcharging, overworking, underpayment, surveillance, and guilt-tripping isn't
just unethical, in the long run it's counterproductive. She might not realize
it, but she creates more fear than respect. When students lose their fear, they
leave.
Groups that treat their members well
have turnover too, but they don't end up with more disgusted former members
than current members and a collection of appalled bystanders to boot.
9/13/2011 5:05pm,
Permalost
I've noticed that the people who post
on this thread don't post anywhere else on Bullshido even though the posters
have been around for years, and it got me wondering if these cultish martial
arts groups attract people who like small, secluded groups for whatever reason.
An insular nature allows people like TYK to operate a martial arts school
that's batshit insane but also off the radar of the larger martial arts
community, that talks to each other across schools and styles. I always kinda
figured that these pockets existed because of a charismatic leader that kept
people from talking, but I'm wondering if it has to do with the type of
personality of the people that stick around too. You guys have been here for
years but only talk amongst yourselves about some crazy bitch from back in the
day. Of course, its also possible that the whole experience soured you guys on
the martial arts entirely so you're not really interested in them anymore.
I hope I don't sound disrespectful, but
this thread is kind of a weird anomaly on Bullshido and I'm trying to figure it
out.
11/01/2011 12:40pm,
bemused
I was talking the other day with
someone about how Kimmie broke up families and managed to keep her minions from
having more children despite allowing a few very controlled relationships to
exist. This prompted me to look at the misunderstanding CA and I had over
whether to have children with a new perspective.
Maybe Kimmie knew perfectly well that I
wanted to discuss with CA whether to have children and if so when. Maybe she
knew perfectly well that I wasn't wanting kids right away. If she did know
these things, there are possible reasons why she decided to tell CA something
different anyway (in other words, to lie).
First of all, she didn't want us having
kids, period. To even consider it was to violate her hidden agenda.
Second, making such life-direction
decisions was her prerogative as our "Master." I was usurping her
authority by initiating the discussion, even if I included her in it via my
journal.
Third, she didn't like her followers
being closer to each other than each was to her. To make a joint decision on
something so intimate might have brought us closer together even if we decided
not to have kids.
She probably was compelled to put a
stop to the discussion. So how best to do it? She didn't want to reveal that
she didn't want anyone in COL having more children ever, so she couldn't just
tell us no. She didn't want to validate my point of view because of the second
and third points. Telling CA that I wanted a baby right away scared CA so much
that it ended the discussion. She didn't have to reveal her agenda, nor did she
have to give us authority over our own lives or a chance to get too close. It
worked perfectly.
I'm still too naive. That anyone, even
someone as manipulative as Kimmie, would outright lie, is usually the last
thing to occur to me.
That CA believed her and not me showed
that he was being a good COLie. It also showed that our so-called relationship
was a bad joke.
For those who didn't read my previous
posts, I was prepared to ask that we not have kids due to a health concern I
have, and in the end I made precisely that decision alone. I only brought it up
in case he really wanted to have kids badly, in which case I would have
considered it to make him happy.
The final irony is that Chica told me
CA is married now and trying to have kids. Now that he's out from under Kimmie,
he can do that, and I wish him and his family well.
In my marriage, such convoluted
misunderstandings simply don't happen. We can talk to each other about
anything. And we don't have a third party telling us what to do or think.
11/01/2011
bemused
CA got so scared that he avoided me.
This prompted me to break up with him, via email because it was the only way I
could deliver any communication. Not long after that, for reasons having
nothing to do with CA, I left COL but remained a regular martial arts student.
Then Kimmie started trying to get me back in a relationship with CA while
refusing to consider my demands that he change, which I found absurd.
I've gone through all that before in
previous posts. What I still don't understand is why, and the possibility that
Kimmie outright lied to CA about my intentions makes her attempt to reconcile
us all the more perplexing--and galling.
11/08/2011
Kathy Kim
She just teased you with a
relationship, She can't have anyone that cares for someone more than her!
Another reason there are no children
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