This one includes some stuff from CultMaster, which is long gone.
carson
10/19/2010
9:06am,
The beating incident I wrote about
happened at Stargazer, and the only participants were COL. It was early in
2004, I believe, perhaps at the Lunar New Year program but I'm not sure.
I left on Nov 1, 2004, so if the event you
spoke about above (with the Korean dignateries and 3 am phone call) was in
2004, it must have been late in the year as I don't remember it. TYK did try to
make us feel special if she 'gave' us such 'opportunities'. TYK would often say
that she was hardest only on those who were 'strong', 'connected' with her, or
whom she trusted, and whom she loved the most! It made us want to be abused as
it 'proved' she cared about us and we were 'worthy'.
bemused
10/19/2010
12:55pm,
Carson, I would love to find the posts
about the ET class where JW imitated TYK again, but it's a lot of pages to
search through, and my time is limited these days. It's too bad Chica took down
her posts, because her description was especially vivid, as I recall. She said
JW was quite funny, and the class couldn't keep from laughing. It was the
laughing that got to TYK. In any case, I think we have been talking about the
same class.
"I punish you because I love
you" is an attempted justification common among abusive husbands too. It's
also used by right-wing religious schools and drug rehab programs to control
children and teenagers using fear.
Cultmaster stuff
June 1,
2014
Old
2007 col poster whoami verified in 2014
whoami?
7/19/2007
11:15pm,
Who am
I?
I was
prostitute in Korea before marrying an American GI.
Although
there would be no record of a Korean pimp’s log book on this subject, or of a
nightclub with such acts after hours, there are plenty of sources that have
claimed this. The most damaging of these seems to come from a mysterious source,
her true ‘master’ named Kim, who posted also to BS. We cannot know if it is
true, but it is likely. She could argue ‘it is culture’.
I was
indicted in the late 70’s for arranging fraud marriages.
The
Vermont court records are quite accurate on this. She did. She even tried to
arrange marriages for her students ending in a number of them backing out.
I filed
bankruptcy after I was sued by a student in Vermont for stealing her
inheritance.
The
Brooke Bullenger case, California records, Bollinger versus Kyung Ae Fontaine
or something like that. Actually was settled. Gave back some of the money.
I
sliced my wrists.
Well
maybe for attention.
I have
threatened to commit suicide many times as a way to manipulate my instructors
and students.
This is
true. She did this when she was losing students.
I had
an abortion, lied to my students about what really happened and didn’t think
that the truth would come back to me.
Yes
that doctor wasn’t a cancer doctor. The ‘miscarriage’ was not what people were
told. She may have had a miscarriage later, but let’s not discuss such things.
I was
sued for fraud by my 24 year old husband because I had my tubes tied and
couldn’t get pregnant.
Ah, the
Spencer Eccles case. Well it’s a good thing she didn’t. The case is present in
court records from Utah and California from the 1990s.
I illegally
phone tapped my former student’s home phones and played the audios to other
students.
Yes,
definitely this happened. We know of several testimonies, but I did not see
this occur. Do not ask me.
I hired
investigators to keep tabs on people and even took photos of one of my former
instructors having sex with a former student.
Yes she
did. It is on record with the COL ex students, courts and in the case of
Giandomenico versus Tae Yun Kim it is documented.
I was
sued for fraud for taking 1.2m from one of my 21 year old female students and
told her that the inheritance was evil.
The
Bollinger case. Yes. On record.
I am
being sued by a 35-year-old former student and lover for palimony.
Yes, in
2007, the aforementioned Giandomenico and Kim case. Court records in 2007. Was
settled in 2008 with an undisclosed money sum.
I
broke-up families and took complete control of their life and assets.
Yes she
does, as many ex students of COL have said, and me personally too. But I will
not swear to this in court. I am done with that, and with her.
I have
my students share their most inner thoughts with me, which allows me and my
instructors to manipulate their lives.
Using
journals against COL was common, and against students in class. This is well
known.
I made
a 9 year old and other younger students smoke and drink as a way to prevent
them from doing so later in life.
Yes,
this is documented from several young students of COL and of the school. It was
mainly in COL.
I got
my students to spend money on their credit cards, bankrupt themselves and then
change their identities.
Same
here. Yes. In COL they did do this a lot.
I tried
to get my male students to cut off their genitals.
According
to eyewitnesses in 1997 this was one of her lessons to scare the men. Why they
didn’t just quit was not known.
I
physically beat and abuse my students.
Well it
is a martial art.
I have
told my students that if they have a child that it could be the devil trying to
get back at them.
Only in
COL, yes. Yes, TYK, you can shove that idea right there.
I don’t
pay my bills on time and have many local stores complaining about me in
Milpitas , California.
So say
all COL.
I
arranged illegal campaign contributions to help a congressman to further my own
political position.
True,
all true. The congressman is on record.
I have
had sexual relationships with some of my instructors.
True.
She did. She can’t anymore because she’s too old.
I
really am not a real PhD but I introduce myself as a PhD and ask people to call
me “Dr.”.
An
honorary doctorate in business from Sook Mnyung Women’s College should not be
made an actual doctorate.
My
books are really not translated into 14 languages
They
are translated into 5 languages.
I have
an illegal house cleaner and hire illegal Mexicans outside home depot to
landscape my property.
Well it
is the Bay Area. Not an issue for me.
I
really am not a celebrity and my television show only taped 40 episodes back in
the late 90’s.
True.
I’ve seen most of them. Ex students have too. Only showed on public access
airing then.
I had
my employees work for me while collecting unemployment.
True.
The real reason behind the name changes is to cheat the government. This is but
one way she does this. Mine is also for that reason. I kept one of them for
fun. I will not attest to this though and plead the fifth.
I have
spent more than $400,000 on St. John outfits while my students suffer
financially.
This
doesn’t surprise any COL.
I am
very skilled at dodging the IRS and have many schemes to avoid taxes.
True.
She should get an audit shoved you know where.
I
changed my religion at least 3 times.
Now
it’s Catholic. Once it was even Mormon. I think this is called heresy.
I am
not a cancer survivor.
Well
yes most of her surgeries were confirmed boob jobs and plastic surgery and Ahn
and them were that type of surgeons, but there was caner later.
I am
addicted to plastic surgery.
The
same. The doc was a face and boob doc. We all knew it. They all knew it.
I keep
my students debt as high possible and pay them as little as I can so they are
dependent on me.
That is
how it works in COL.
I think
I am an incredible teacher but my martial arts credentials are very
questionable.
She has
never been seen actually sparring, but does a lot of showboating and tricks and
yells a lot. See many posts.
I have
started and dissolved more than 20 companies in California and Vermont.
Ha,
well yes, but she’s a con artist.
I told
my students that I am next to Jesus in God’s eyes and I have told my employees
that I speak to God.
Add
blasphemy and false profit to the list. God is watching.
I have
more of my students against me than for me, which could make the rest of my
life a never ending battle.
It is.
It is done. Your reign is over.
I am
one of a kind.
That you
are.
bemused
9/13/2011
3:46pm,
It’s
another slow day, so I’ll continue with the same line of thought.
After
SE left, after DP left, after Inside Edition aired, and after a few other
crises, Kimmie called COL together for a good cry. She talked about how she was
only human and trying to do the best she could (even though we couldn’t hope to
understand her exalted wisdom). She said she wished that these ungrateful
people who had betrayed her had talked to her before taking the actions that
they did (as if she would have acted on any advice). She even asked COL to tell
her if she had done anything wrong (of course, everyone said, “Oh no Ma’am!”).
I
thought at the time that she was revealing her real self to those privileged
students whom she loved and trusted the most. Looking back, it seems like just
one more way that she kept her students from questioning her actions. After
all, it’s the height of meanness to kick someone when they’re down, especially
if they’re so tearfully, pathetically remorseful. Even to have said, “Maybe you
shouldn’t have…” with preventive intent would have been considered presumptuous
and insensitive.
After
JL and ML vanished one day, she begged COL “not to leave like a thief in the
night.” Trouble is, she set it up so it was hard to leave in any other way. If
you tried to leave you got the pity play. If you left and came back, you groveled
for the privilege of getting disciplined. Jdms’s story (in part 1) of leaving
is a good example. Kimmie reeled Jdms back in with tears, sweet talk, and
promises of reform that she never intended to and didn’t keep.
I tried
to leave honorably but was guilt-tripped when I tried to give two points of
mild feedback (MBF compared it to “two thumbtacks in her arm”). I was asked to
write my own Lighthouse letter of reference for them to sign, but it was then
edited down to triviality (my end run was to contact DP). About my musical
aspirations Kimmie said, “Follow your dream,” but it was clear from her tone of
voice that she was not supportive but contemptuous. What dream could possibly
be better than hers?
I
didn’t consciously intend to manipulate Kimmie into letting me go, but that was
the result. When she told me to find an apartment, I didn’t beg her to
reconsider. If she had wanted me to stay, SHE would have had to beg ME, which
she wasn’t prepared to do. I guess she doesn’t like to pull the pity play if it
means swallowing her pride. Or maybe she just shrewdly assessed my value. I
guess I wasn’t very useful to her at that point, because to my knowledge she
didn’t cry a puddle of tears over me.
Failed
Student
9/13/2011
4:09pm,
TYK is
manipulative to say the least. I saw that here in Vermont in my own experience.
She suspended me from martial arts training for three months, admonished
everyone not to have any contact with me, but within hours of my banishment she
was trying to reach me by phone. She wanted it both ways – wanted me to be in
touch with her although no one else was allowed to do so. Her plan was to make
me feel miserable about not being able to train and then have me come back
after the three months and be groveling at her feet, grateful to be back in the
fold. It didn’t work, I reveled in my freedom and have never looked back. That
is not to say I still don’t have occasional nightmares about this, but that
whole experience has made me a very strong person. No one dares with me
again…either from the cult or any other situation.
bemused
9/13/2011
4:53pm,
Every
COL student who leaves represents a loss of investment and revenue to Kimmie,
and without her COL students she wouldn’t have Lighthouse, her only cash cow,
yet when her mistreatment of a student comes back to bite her in the butt, she
doesn’t learn.
All the
yelling, humiliation, overcharging, overworking, underpayment, surveillance, and
guilt-tripping isn’t just unethical, in the long run it’s counterproductive.
She might not realize it, but she creates more fear than respect. When students
lose their fear, they leave.
Groups
that treat their members well have turnover too, but they don’t end up with
more disgusted former members than current members and a collection of appalled
bystanders to boot.
Failed
Student
9/21/2011
7:57am,
I remember
the first time she had ‘cancer’. The instructors were after all of us to buy
her a pink ski outfit. Somehow, if someone had cancer, I think a ski suit would
be the last thing on their mind.
If one
has cancer, supports cancer research, especially breast cancer, one wears a
pink ribbon. But in her inimitable fashion, TYK went all the way with a pink ski
outfit. Up here in Vermont, women who wear pink and makeup on the ski slopes
and can’t ski worth a damn are known as “snow bunnies”. It is a derogatory
term, and came into being when Vermont first started getting an influx of
wealthy flatlanders who came for a ski vacation. They also have second homes
here. I guess they help our economy, but they’re obnoxious and demanding.
That
being said, our little snow bunny looks terrible in pink. She has gotten a bit
heftier over the years, and should wear dark colors to tone down that pudgy
appearance.
bemused
9/22/2011
As
crazy as this whole situation is, I will say I was impressed by one of the JSW
martial artists, who I think is SAK? She’s so small, made the breaks look
really impressive.
Good
luck and be well to everyone- both on the inside and the outside.
For the
record- I’m not a member of the “cult”, an “exe,” nor do I know who anyone is
in here. Just a Bullshido member. I’m paranoid now just from reading. I think
I’ll go change all my passwords. Also, my profile views before I post this is
252 in the past almost 4 years. Let’s see if that goes up now :)
Hi
Ggddcc, and welcome. Chica asked for her posts to be hidden in an attempt to
improve her relationship with her mom, who is still in the cult. This didn’t
work too well, but Chica has good relationships with her dad and brother and is
doing well in life. I miss her sassy and poignant posts too.
Despite
the craziness and the skittle belts, it’s a decent martial arts school. Kimmie
knows how to recruit talented people who can make up for her shortcomings. It’s
too bad she doesn’t appreciate them, even though she says she does.
Failed
Student
9/22/2011
I find
it tragic that Chica’s mom cannot be a part of her daughter’s life, but prefers
to be a slave to the constant demands of the cult and its leader. From what I
have read in some of these posts, she has been treated poorly for all that
devotion. Ultimately, blood is thicker than water. I hope mom will come to that
realization before it is too late.
bemused
9/22/2011
I got
the impression that Chica’s mom lacked self-esteem and was bored with life
before meeting Kimmie. The way she described herself, she sounded anxious and
depressed. From Kimmie, she has gained a sense of purpose and accomplishment.
She piggybacks on Kimmie’s confidence. And for better or worse, Kimmie’s world
is exciting. She may find it hard to imagine a fulfilling life without Kimmie,
because she didn’t feel she had that before.
She had
a husband who loved her, despite incompatibilities. She had two beautiful
children. She had intelligence and a college degree. But depression and anxiety
can color any life darker than it really is.
Chica
could show her mom how to live fully in the outside world. She’s spirited and
funny and talented and travels the world when she can. Chica’s mom should be
proud.
bemused
9/22/2011
7:37pm,
I think
Kimmie enjoys playing people. I think she gets a thrill over how far she can
push people with abuse and still pull them back with token affection. I think
it tickles her that people can love her willingly despite being mistreated.
Sure, she has a sadistic streak. Sure, she wants to be admired, feared, pitied,
loved, worshipped. But more than anything else, she wants control.
Kathy
Kim
9/23/2011
9:41pm,
tyk is
on the downside of life….so maybe Chica will have her mom back to share her
life with her. Chica is a very strong, very smart and a beautiful young lady.
tyk is almost 66 yealrs old, when she is gone I am sure everyone there will go
their own way. shs is just concerned about himself. He will be number uno, and
just look out after himself. If es has any big health issues and no more a help
to tyk, I’m sure they won’t support her any more. If you can’t provide or do
tyk’s deeds, you are tossed to the curb.
Blackie was a student, as her post as this character indicates she knows too much.
slytherinpunch
9/28/2011
8:25pm,
Good
evening. I am new to this board and came here because of all this long thread,
and that I have been observing it. I am not a student, or a member of the cult,
just an observer. I know of you all through your posts, not well though. I
found some links to you on the net and came here. You have been through a lot.
This person you had as your master is not a true master, or a doctor. You are
now free so it’s fine. She must be exposed everywhere possible. I have read her
member sites and find them like a cult, with so much admiration for this human,
as thought she is like a God. This is scary and disturbing. I have read you’ve
done many things, tried to blog on other sites, and been closed down. The dirty
pool they’re playing with your freedom of speech is disgusting. I am on your
side, such as it is. I don’t even care if my name gets out. It is Mike. You
have not met me. To COL, your time is over. They are here. They’re not going
away. I hope you will welcome discourse. Mike
bemused
10/06/2011
Unfortunately,
COL has been led to believe that what they are doing is living the life they
were meant to live. Kimmie is always telling them to “be an original” even
while disallowing the kind of skeptical thought that leads to originality. They
view us and their families as the “others’ opinions.” I remember when I thought
that way.
Earning
my black belt was one of the blows that shattered the illusion. I thought my
life would be magically transformed as I fulfilled my destiny, as I reached a
milestone on my chosen path, and it wasn’t. I was still unhappy, and I started
trying to figure out why.
I am
very fortunate to have a creative drive that I felt compelled to pursue. Even
if Inside Edition hadn’t occurred, I probably would have left at around the
same time anyway. Rebuilding my life wasn’t easy. I got bits and pieces of help
from other people, but I had to decide how to put the pieces together. It has
been worth it ten times over.
bemused
11/01/2011
12:40pm,
I was
talking the other day with someone about how Kimmie broke up families and
managed to keep her minions from having more children despite allowing a few
very controlled relationships to exist. This prompted me to look at the
misunderstanding CA and I had over whether to have children with a new
perspective.
Maybe
Kimmie knew perfectly well that I wanted to discuss with CA whether to have
children and if so when. Maybe she knew perfectly well that I wasn’t wanting
kids right away. If she did know these things, there are possible reasons why
she decided to tell CA something different anyway (in other words, to lie).
First
of all, she didn’t want us having kids, period. To even consider it was to
violate her hidden agenda.
Second,
making such life-direction decisions was her prerogative as our “Master.” I was
usurping her authority by initiating the discussion, even if I included her in
it via my journal.
Third,
she didn’t like her followers being closer to each other than each was to her.
To make a joint decision on something so intimate might have brought us closer
together even if we decided not to have kids.
She
probably was compelled to put a stop to the discussion. So how best to do it?
She didn’t want to reveal that she didn’t want anyone in COL having more
children ever, so she couldn’t just tell us no. She didn’t want to validate my
point of view because of the second and third points. Telling CA that I wanted
a baby right away scared CA so much that it ended the discussion. She didn’t
have to reveal her agenda, nor did she have to give us authority over our own
lives or a chance to get too close. It worked perfectly.
I’m
still too naive. That anyone, even someone as manipulative as Kimmie, would
outright lie, is usually the last thing to occur to me.
That CA
believed her and not me showed that he was being a good COLie. It also showed
that our so-called relationship was a bad joke.
For
those who didn’t read my previous posts, I was prepared to ask that we not have
kids due to a health concern I have, and in the end I made precisely that
decision alone. I only brought it up in case he really wanted to have kids
badly, in which case I would have considered it to make him happy.
The
final irony is that Chica told me CA is married now and trying to have kids.
Now that he’s out from under Kimmie, he can do that, and I wish him and his
family well.
In my
marriage, such convoluted misunderstandings simply don’t happen. We can talk to
each other about anything. And we don’t have a third party telling us what to
do or think.
bemused
11/01/2011
CA got
so scared that he avoided me. This prompted me to break up with him, via email
because it was the only way I could deliver any communication. Not long after
that, for reasons having nothing to do with CA, I left COL but remained a
regular martial arts student. Then Kimmie started trying to get me back in a
relationship with CA while refusing to consider my demands that he change,
which I found absurd.
I’ve
gone through all that before in previous posts. What I still don’t understand
is why, and the possibility that Kimmie outright lied to CA about my intentions
makes her attempt to reconcile us all the more perplexing–and galling.
Kathy
Kim
11/08/2011
She
just teased you with a relationship, She can’t have anyone that cares for
someone more than her. Another reason there are no children
bemused
12/22/2011
Kimmie
is a typical cult leader, and unfortunately, lots of narcissistic people like
her exist. People follow partly out of emotional neediness and misplaced
idealism, but also because cult leaders are deceptive. By the time a follower
knows the reality of what they’ve joined, they’re in too deep to leave easily.
Kimmie
and her students are competent martial artists, or at least they were when I
was training. Cults don’t survive on manipulation alone, they have to give some
benefits.
Cults
are scary, but most followers eventually leave on their own.
carson
1/10/2012
Hi all!
I’ve not been reading or posting for quite a while, thought I would check in
and see how folks are doing! I read back a few pages – Some things just never
change! And to Bemused- TYK lied to both my ex and the guy I was supposed to be
in a relationship with on several occasions. She also lied to COL members in
general about me and others on a regular basis – it is one of the ways she
keeps control. When I would ask a senior (EAS) or one of the instructors, I was
always told that TYK has a reason for everything she does, and I needed to just
accept what was said and see what I could learn from it.
I was also told that
TYK can see what is in our hearts, even if we don’t see it ourselves – in other
words, what she claimed I said or did was in my heart, and I was guilty without
knowing it. What a sad and scary way of controlling people who trust her with
all their hearts!
But
life is truly wonderful now. As Bemused says, living a great life is the best
revenge! I really do have to thank TYK, though – if it weren’t for all the
things I went through I would not be the caring, compasionate and generous
person that I am now, truly enjoying every breath.
Kathy
Kim
1/10/2012
Everything
she says is a lie. Or most of it. She only thinks of herself. I’m not bitter,
that is just how I see it. In the long run she will pay the price. Those that
have left are lucky to have their lives. Someone is always leaving, I like to
think these posts have at least brought people to questioning and then seeing,
maybe she “doesn’t” really know anything. She is only for herself.
bemused
1/11/2012
1:13pm,
Hi
Carson, and welcome back. It’s been quiet around here.
TYK
tells so many lies that I wonder how she keeps them all straight in her mind.
It’s clear how she keeps people from checking with each other though–journals
and fear. Of course, we were supposed to tell her the truth, unless a) she
wanted us to lie, or b) she decided she knew better than we did what we were
thinking. I believe that the latter is referred to as mind rape.
What’s
truly tragic, though, is that lies are TYK’s only source of self-esteem. What
else does she have, now that her looks have faded? Okay, she’s a third-degree
black belt, but if that were enough for her she wouldn’t have to falsely claim
a higher rank. I have a new title for her, the High Priestess of Hype!
Fifth Kitty Ki?
Freewill
1/11/2012
1:30pm,
TYK
slowly and methodically stole our freedom and freewill. When I trained at Jung
SuWon and was sucked into COL we lived in housing that was owned by TYK and the
instructors. The houses were split up with males in one house and females in
another. There were 15 or more people in each household and we were told by TYK
who we were to room with. We weren’t allowed to drive anywhere by ourselves and
we worked for Lighthouse or another one of TYK’s companies. At times we weren’t
paid a salary and if we were paid a salary, the money was funneled back for COL
dues or other programs. We had a shopping list of what we could eat and most of
it wasn’t what would be considered a healthy diet. We were told what to wear
and we didn’t buy clothes on our own. We were on call 24 hours a day 7 days a
week and were always sleep deprived.
We
lived with the feeling that we were always working towards something greater
than ourselves but nothing ever came out of all the selfless hours that we put towards
events or special guests. We were never good enough and we were never
appreciated. We gave up our family and friends and shut ourselves off from TV,
radio and anything that wasn’t focused on TYK. We chanted TYK’s name in
meditations and sat on the floor while she sat in a chair and reprogrammed our
minds. We were disciplined, punished, abused and no matter what the signs were,
it was difficult to get out. We thought in our minds that we were going to
build a City of Light (COL) somewhere and TYK’s teachings were going to remold
the world. We were not weak or stupid but were each at a vulnerable point in our
lives and victims of a grandmaster manipulator.
Keep
TYK honest by continually sharing your experiences on this site and other web
sites. TYK will ultimately be known for being a failed cult leader that stole
the lives of so many people.
I am
thankful to have my life again and my hope is that everyone that was under
TYK’s control appreciates their freedom. It is not easy starting over but there
is nothing more valuable than health, family, friends and freewill.
bemused
1/11/2012
Welcome,
Freewill. It’s good to hear from another former COL member who made it out.
Post-cult life is indeed good. I would add one more item to your list: self-expression!
Failed
Student
1/11/2012
Thank
you Freewill for sharing your experience.
I
cannot help but find a parallel between this situation and so many other cults,
where every aspect of one’s life is monitored and controlled.
It is
not too different from what is going on now in North Korea, with Crazy Kim #3,
where compliance is instilled by the fear that eyes are watching you everywhere
and at all times.
Kathy
Kim
1/11/2012
Freewill,
glad to hear from you. I left there the last of 91. October actually, so I
probably don’t know you. There were 4 COL houses when I left. One belonged to
es. which men stayed at. I’m glad to see you made it out ok. Each day is a new
day.. Be grateful for it and if there are still people there that you care
about, share what you know on here. Also what you share will maybe make people
think before they join. Everyone seems to google things they are interested in,
so they see this link, let all know the truth. Lots of us you may not know, but
our words are all truthful, no matter how painfull they were to write or share.
I’m the only one that has put my name up here, but we all know each other.
I
curious, have you read all the posts? Hope to hear more from you
bemused
1/13/2012
Hi
Freewill, If you don’t mind, I’m curious, what made you decide to leave COL?
It’s okay if you’d rather not say.
Failed
Student
1/23/2012
I have
never had access to the BB vs TYK etc lawsuit prior to yesterday. I have read
the plaintiffs testament and I am both amazed and angered that TYK and her
cronies were able to extort an inheritance out of a young and innocent woman.
Apparently
TYK had some interesting legal and financial assistance in this con. I would be
curious to know whether those named defendants are still practicing in their
respective professions.
To say
that one’s inheritance is evil and the person must be cleansed of it by getting
rid of it is similar to the gypsy fortune teller that tells a troubled
individual to bring cash in a brown envelope and that it will be purified by
the fortune teller – who of course has some under the table assistance in
making the envelope switch.
This
con bears similarities to what they tried to do to me – SHS telling me to “get
rid of my nest egg” and follow “grand master”…Of course, “grandmaster” wanted
to be the recipient of my disgorgement of monies.
bemused
1/25/2012
I know
someone who did interior decorating for a branch of the Ananda church, a cult
in which the leader was sexually abusing young female disciples. He knew it was
a cult but could do nothing.
However, decorating the church didn’t affect any
disciples one way or another.
The
professionals who helped Kimmie knew they were transferring money from a
follower to her. They must have known on some level that she was running a
cult. I guess money buys a lot of denial.
Failed
Student
1/25/2012
1:24pm,
Just to
comment further on the BB lawsuit, and forgive me if I have posted something
about this in one of the threads long ago, but:
it was
stated that one million dollars was transferred by BB for the purchase of
10,000 shares of common stock of COL, for which no stock certificates were
given nor any COL corporate information.
On a
much smaller scale, in Vermont there was a KAF corporation which was set up to
purchase a property in northern VT consisting of 80 acres and a cabin. There
were 100 shares, TYK held 55, the five of us had 9 shares each. The five of us
paid the mortgage on the property, TYK was not oblighated to pay anything. We
were actually given paper stock certificates, and the other four entrusted
their certificates to the safekeeping of TYK. I did not..I kept the stock
certificate along with my other shares in my small portfolio. That was not well
liked, and implied that I did not trust TYK.
However, I was adamant in my
decision.
As time
passed – two or three months – this all fizzled out, and the mortgage payments
were not kept and the property went into default. MF was the treasurer and I
asked for and received from the town clerk where the property was situated
information that the property taxes were also in default.
After
TYK et al left for California, I went to the farmer who lived across the street
from the property and he would not talk to me at first. Muttered something
about “if this is a religion, ….”. I explained to him that I was not involved
with TYK et al any longer and he softened up and was friendly to me. Don’t know
what happened there, but they probably took advantage of him in some way.
Kathy
Kim
1/25/2012
Maybe,
she is just being watched closely for any other shady transactions, they as a
whole will make?I knew these people in the suit and they knew she was a cult,
or they were blind. Unfortuatley. the almighty dollar has the last word most of
the time
bemused
1/31/2012
Much of
the action has shifted to Clarehoare’s new blog. I’m posting here though,
because what I have to say is not directly part of his story.
An
outsider with a loved one still in COL is critical of Kimmie. Whenever the
outsider criticizes Kimmie, Kimmie takes it out on the loved one. I understand
the twisted logic. Kimmie is hoping that the loved one will restrain the
outsider, that the outsider will feel guilty and stop, or both.
I would
guess that this is a standard ploy of cult leaders in this situation. That
doesn’t make it any less despicable.
Kathy
Kim
2/01/2012
I read
some on the facebook page, but I feel the same about I would rather post here.
I always get lost on facebook. I can’t believe how demented she got. But I know
that truths are being told. If she doesn’t reap her “rewards” here…..Know that
she will reap then when her days have come to an end. I wouldn’t want to be her
on anyday, but mostly on judgement day. My heart goes out to you clarehoare and
your mom. I know how proud she must be of you.
bemused
4/04/2012
Sarahalexsmile’s
blog shows that Kimmie looks good on paper and seems impressive in person in
public. You have to get to know her before you see her temper and figure out
her lies. It’s unfortunate that these awards organizations don’t dig very deep
when investigating nominees. But an award given so easily is an award of little
value. It’s just another empty title.
To get
a Nobel Peace Prize you need to have accomplishments with global, tangible,
positive impact on people’s lives. Publishing feel-good New Age books isn’t
enough. Giving to a local homeless shelter isn’t enough. And behind the scenes
Kimmie has done more harm than good in her abuse, extortion, and fraud.
Failed
Student
4/05/2012
8:02am,
I have
to agree with you Bemused – there is no way Kimmie has earned, nor could she
purchase this award. I suggest that she run for political office – her slogan
will of course be “he can do…” etc. She should be able to get the ethnic vote
without any problem. She can play on their sympathies – how she struggled as a
woman and as an Asian to succeed……Something tells me she won’t get much of the
women’s vote however.
MGD
6/22/2012
10:46am,
Hello
everyone! I would like to say to everyone who may think this thread is all
about destroying the credibility of JSW and TYK ….IT IS NOT!!!I am a newbie to
this site and thread and have only “skimmed” over the 4 parts of “ex JSW
students” thread and can honestly say that “facts” are pretty accurate and I am
not surprised!
MGD
6/29/2012
6:44pm,
One
reason JSW failed in VT …. the citizens of the state and the Burlington
community are intelligent and can see through BS…..they will give anyone a
chance but if you *&$% them they will destroy you….when the community realized
what She was doing the money and students started to dry up and TYK, Scott and
company started crying foul making accusations about other MA schools
etc……12-18 mos later they were ALL gone ..to CA
Oh yeah
BTW….I used kick Scott S. ass ALL the time during free sparring and I was 4-5
belts his junior ….he’s not the great of a martial artist……boy would he get
pissed ..always take it out on me when he was “teaching” with hundreds of
repetitive kicks etc..it was ALWAYS worth it because the class understood he
was a “wanna be” without the talent!!!!
Failed
Student
6/30/2012
8:30am,
I don’t
know who you are MGD, but I rather doubt you were kicking Scott’s ass. Yes, he
was the classic schoolyard bully type, and he could be a mean bastard, but from
what I observed while I was training there, (1981-1984) no one was besting him.
The last thing I want to be doing is defending this son of a bitch, but he was
slavishly devoted to his training and his master and did all her bidding
without question and earned his belt rank.
ATC
never made any money and was supported by money extorted from students such as
myself through intimidation, shunning, and ostracism. They may have trash
talked the other schools because they were conventional martial arts schools,
and ATC chose to set itself apart as something different, to the point of no
longer participating in tournaments. I believe this was to prevent her students
from interacting with students from other schools and perhaps getting a
different perspective.
I
remember only one incident in training with Scott – we were doing hand
techniques. I was holding my own quite well even thougn I was only a yellow
belt at the time. He ramped up his punches to the point that he injured my arm
so badly that I had a black and blue mark the length of my forearm for a month
afterward. Crazy Tae reamed him out for that and he was made to apologize to
me.
MGD
7/03/2012
5:59pm,
Failed
Student,With all do respect I started training at the Kyong Ae Academy of TKD
summer of ’79 under both Kyon Ae Fontaine and her brother Dae Yong Kim. I
witnessed the break up of the academy into two schools along with the students.
I believe 6-10 students went with Master Fontaine and Scott was the senior most
student (red belt). I can tell you that up until he left he was good but not
that good and I was able to run circles around him because I was much faster,
flexible/agile than him. As long as you could get inside (jam his kicks) he was
unable to counter because his hand speed was pitiful. If his speed, technique and
flexibility improved then it was only AFTER the new school was opened.
I can
also state with confidence that one of the two other students who left with M.
Fontaine and Scott could and did run circles around him …his technique, speed
and flexibility was FAR better than Scott’s. I do not remember his name however
I believe he had blonde hair and dropped out of college his sophomore year to
pursue the MA as a “career”. His close friend had dark hair and I believe his
name was Mike. Both of these student came from fairly successful families with
the blonde hair students’ dad being a Dr. (I think).
Failed
Student
7/03/2012
7:46pm,
MGD –
now that I have a better time frame, I am getting a fix on who you are.
In all
probability, at that point in time, you probably were a match for Scott. Once
he broke away from Dae Yung, Kyong Ae trained him, the blonde guy and his
friend, as well as one other quite hard. That intensive training started even
before the break. About 6 of us would go early in the morning to a quarry and
work out for well over an hour. The blond haired one did not drop out of
college, but finished his four years at UVM. He moved out of his dorm and took
up residence in an apartment in downtown Burlington, shared with Scott and
Mike. That also became a Buddhist temple for Kyong Ae’s mother. Long story…….
Yes, one person’s father was a MD and the other was a NY banker.
MGD
7/04/2012
Failed
Student (LOL), great name I laugh every time I read it! Thanks for the brief
road trip down memory lane. Wow my memory is not that bad the parent was a
banker you say … I was going to say a financial adviser but was unsure. I do
recall the Buddhist temple and Bop Sa Nim (?) I only went once to the apartment
and it was too “culty” then for me.
Prior
to the temple moving out of Colchester and the formation of the two separate
schools TYK and I had a very long conversation at her house in Winooski and it
dawned on me then that “something” was not what it seemed. This was when I
started to gravitate more toward M. Kim in my training…I guess I made the
correct decision!
At this
time I would like to state that I have no animosity towards TYK or the others.
If I met TYK on the street I would still treat her with respect (she was one of
my original instructors). I think if I met Scott I would laugh in his face but
thats me also I know it would piss him….never had much respect for the guy…
You may
be getting a better understanding of whom I am but I am trying to recall who
you are…..I guess if you would like to know who I am we can do that by other
means….Three questions for you…What rank were you prior to the split? A UVM
student? Finally were you also a part time bartender at the “Saloon”?
Happy
Fourth of July
Failed
Student
7/04/2012
To
address what I can publicy – MBF’s father was a biggie in Morgan Guaranty Trust
Co or it’s banking affiliate. TYK got a piece of the action when MBF received
his inheritance after the requirement that he marry. Apparently he signed over
the money to TYK after the “I do”.
As far
as that temple in downtown Burlington (Po Gyo Dan) it was rather weird as
apartments go. Originally it was SHS and MBF that lived there, and a young
Japanese woman not affiliated with martial arts. She moved out soon after TYK
found out the woman had an attraction to MBF. Then there was some guy that had
a room there, but the restrictions on his activities were so severe he moved
out quickly ( restrictions included no alcohol and taking one’s shoes of before
coming in to the apartment).
As far
as respecting TYK today, you are greatly mistaken to show her any kind of
deference—she has ruined lives, destroyed marriages, uprooted and separated
people from their loved ones and any attachments….as someone once stated on
this thread……”I wouldn’t fart in her direction”. Dae Jung is not much better –
a really bad temper and a host of other issues I will discuss with you
privately.
I made
it as far as green belt before the split…then was stuck at that rank for two years
thanks to TYK’s power trip. I was one of the older students and I was never a
bartender at any establishment…..just a consumer of alcohol from the other side
of the bar.
A happy
July 4 to you too – off to see the parade, enjoy the barbeque, and have fun.
Failed
Student
10/18/2012
This
journey back to Vermont by TYK to visit her so called humble beginnings….
The
trailer looks in remarkably good condition after forty some odd years as does
the bench.
The
story told in this article differs from other versions I have heard from kimmee
and others…..
She
never scrubbed toilets nor floors/ She worked as a car salesperson in
Burlington but was harassed by the owner’s son… but she also sold more cars
than anyone else in the agency/she never mentioned living in a trailer nor
sitting on a bench in any other version of her story/her husband at the time
owned a cleaning business which burned down along with the dojang in the
building….which raises the question of how she was able to save all her
certificates and those of her husband from the fire…..
bemused
10/18/2012
I could
go back and take a picture of the hospital I was born in, the houses I lived in
as a child, the room where I first started playing the piano (the actual piano
is long gone), the dorm rooms I lived in while in college, the first tech
company that hired me as a writer, the room in which I met my husband, etc.
Almost any location has meaning to someone. So what? Ms. Sommers is treating
these scenes from Kimmie’s life, whether true or not, like holy sites in
Jerusalem.
Failed
Student
10/18/2012
You
echo my thoughts Bemused…I was thinking that kimmee’s followers might be
required to venerate the places and objects of their master’s earlier life.
Just as we had to carry pictures of her on our keychains (I refused to),
perhaps pictures of these places might be made into holy cards for her
disciples to meditate on.
Shadow
Dancer
10/18/2012
I’m
just wondering why kimmie didn’t find one of the chopsticks she used to feed her
master strawberries that she fed him after walking 20 miles through the snow to
buy with money she had saved for years from working in the homes of nobles who
had scoffed at the prophecies of her greatness.
Late Grandfather posted on Bullshido, but never Adam G.
sarangbitter
1/06/2013
Hello
All: My name is Kim. I come from Korea. Guess what. I can confirm only this
once, Kyung Ae is a fraud. She trained with my master, well ex master, many
years ago. He was not an old man. He was associated with her uncle. She had the
rank of black belt when she went to America with her new husband. She brings
shame to Korea. Now that I am old man, I don’t give a flying turd. Want to clear
my conscience. She is now Tae Yun. Saw her on TV here and thought, what a load
of it. I cannot believe she has convinced anyone to follow her. Not bad for a
girl from Kimchung. This is the same lady. Have read posts. Very sad she is
running a cult but not surprising. We do that. Run cults. Convince naive
Americans to buy into the who ki energy stuff. And that whole story about her
upbringing is a lie. She never saw a friend blow up. She did not get it for
being a girl. Her parents were just hard on her. Korean men are like that
sometimes. She is very clever though. She was a very good student and took much
of the art back to America and made it popular. Too bad she didn’t stay that
way. Still she is living a false way. Making a profit and taking money from
students and making rich students live with her for their money is very savvy,
but she is going to have only her past to live back on. A true master does not
need a cult of followers to make oneself look good. They do not need fame or
power. Something went wrong there. I am leaving now. I am clear in my
conscience. Kim.
bemused
1/22/2013
Thank
you, Sarangbitter, for giving us an important piece of the puzzle that is Tae
Yun Kim. I’ve always said it’s too bad she couldn’t settle for simply being a
good martial arts teacher.
Failed
Student, it was Chicabonita who showed me the TYK fashion show video. My hubby
and I had a good laugh over it. I especially liked the white outfit with the
thick fur around the top of the high boots. It reminded me of a trimmed poodle.
Ryanbeld
6/10/2013
2:55pm,
I
haven’t posted in years as I had run out of things to say a long time ago. But
now being so close to marriage and starting a family of my own, I look back and
find the only regret I have is posting my past online for people to see and
comment on; especially the unaffiliated.
Family
is of ever-increasing importance to me and I am lucky to have the family that I
do. No matter what had transpired there it bugs me to know my mom and family’s
name is out on these boards and other websites. This is something I now wish
our family had dealt with out of the public eye.
I grew
up and spent many of my formative years there and have been at peace with all
of that for a while now. I have friends with what people would consider normal
upbringings and the more I talk to them the more I find that a lot of them had
situations far more unstable and unhealthy than what I’ve experienced. There
were many good and fun times to go along with the weird and untraditional ones.
I know
that my experiences alone are not the centerpiece of this thread and that other
people who were there have valid issues and complaints of their own that they
are dealing with. But for me, I’ve grown tired of being bitter. You can lose so
much of the present when dwelling on the past. And I feel like an ass for
having complained about my sheltered upbringing when there are so many people
in this world facing legitimate problems. There are people dying of hunger,
thirst, disease, civil war. What they would give to have my problems…
I
consider this chapter closed.
bemused
6/12/2013
Hey
Ryanbeld, it’s great to hear that you’re doing well and moving on with your
life. Best of luck to you in all you do.
Everyone
handles conflict differently. Some people are more vocal, others more private.
Some people want to hold those who do wrong accountable, others want to escape
further conflict. There are no perfect solutions. I don’t post here much
anymore. I monitor sporadically in case someone has news or a question.
bemused
9/04/2013
A
recent conversation with a friend got me thinking about this thread again, and
especially about Ryanbeld’s final comment that there are people who have had it
worse.
On one
hand, I think it’s useful for victim recovery to realize that other people have
been through worse. It prevents self-pity and encourages empathy.
On the
other hand, I don’t think it’s useful for perpetrator accountability. It can lead
to a race to the bottom, in which lesser perpetrators are excused and only the
worst are punished. Because abuse tends to escalate and victims tend to
accumulate, it is best to catch perpetrators as early in their “careers” as
possible.
Failed
Student
9/09/2013
Excellent
points Bemused. One must also look at the type of person who becomes a
victim….those with low self-esteem, those with little or no family structure or
support system seem to be the most vulnerable, along with a few innocents who
think they are part of a greater plan.
In my
own experience with this group, it started out innocently enough…a few favors
were asked, and as acquiescence was gained, the requests became demands, then
orders. As the leader saw she was gaining control over her followers, she
became drunk with power. So yes, abuse tends to escalate.
I think
back and wonder whether this situation could have been short circuited while
still in its infancy in VT. The power of persuasion, coupled with the student enforcers
of the leader, and people fell obediently into line. Still, there were many
that saw the cult for what it was, dropped out and went back to their lives,
but those that stayed and are still there have been “turned”. Their mental
wiring has been changed, and they no doubt will live happily in this delusional
environment until the end.
I did
recover and have no feelings about this cult experience anymore. My life is
full – with work, with play, and with friends and family.
Shadow
Dancer
4/20/2011
It may
be harder to leave now than it was when I did. The economy is bad, they’ve been
in for much of their lives, and LMBP has various ways of trapping them,
including marrying them with each other.
She
also has them believing that the outside world is out to get them and that
their only safe refuge is with her, as she has mystical abilities to read
portents and omens. They are now all absorbed children living in a tree-house
believing that they are alone and brave.
LMBP
has gotten them away from the ability to think for themselves. They look to her
for advice on what to eat, who to date, what to wear, where to work, where to
live, when to wake up, when to go to bed, who to talk to, who to shun, what the
bible says, what car to buy, who to donate to, how to vote, etc. The really
ironic thing is that they think that they are the masters of their lives. She
reinforces her control with alternating hissy-fits and a few words of praise.
They literally cannot survive without her. In some ways, they are better off
with her now as they are unable to live in the real-world. Taking them away
from the only environment they have known for decades would probably cause more
harm than good.
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