Failed Student said, “I went to that link you posted Ai Touch, and have a few comments about some of the awards I personally know about....The Susan B Anthony award came about as a result of Scott naming her for it. One single person, not the entire community. So she got her picture in the Burlington Free Press in all her glory - with the wig du jour and a tuxedo.....
“I participated in a demo at Champlain College with her when I very briefly returned to her fold, and at that time she stated she had her doctorate in Human Services. No way...the only course she took to my knowledge was in English composition at UVM.
“So knowing how she speaks untruths and receives an award based upon one person's nomination, I would question and further investigate just how Tae Yun received the grand - er, great grandmaster rank if you are so inclined. Is there even such a title as great grandmaster? And while you're at it, check out the Order of Constantine knighthood too
“I speak the truth and make no apologies for that. If I come off as harsh, so be it. I try not to make ad hominem attacks against any poster, but when many ex followers of Tae Yun come on this board and speak about their first hand experience, it has to be given credence.”
“I participated in a demo at Champlain College with her when I very briefly returned to her fold, and at that time she stated she had her doctorate in Human Services. No way...the only course she took to my knowledge was in English composition at UVM.
“So knowing how she speaks untruths and receives an award based upon one person's nomination, I would question and further investigate just how Tae Yun received the grand - er, great grandmaster rank if you are so inclined. Is there even such a title as great grandmaster? And while you're at it, check out the Order of Constantine knighthood too
“I speak the truth and make no apologies for that. If I come off as harsh, so be it. I try not to make ad hominem attacks against any poster, but when many ex followers of Tae Yun come on this board and speak about their first hand experience, it has to be given credence.”
Shadow Dancer said, “It is the way kim works. If she can get someone else to say she is something, then voila... it must be true. She doesn't need to do the work or earn the rank.
“She spouted some blather to a ghost writer, who organized, embellished, and wrote a book... then voila... she is a published writer. She gets COL and Scott to buy up all the books, and voila... she is a best seller.
“She gets her picture taken with enough celebrities and then shazzam... she is assumed to be one of them and in their circle.
“Scott gives her the title of CEO of LWS, and hocus-pocus... she now feels like she is on par with Steve Jobs or Larry Ellison.
“She buys an honorary doctorate from some unknown Korean college and abracadabra... she is now on the same level of someone who got their degree from Harvard.
“Let's not even go into the Order of Constantine... that is just sad... the pathetic grasping of a face-lifted social climber.”
“AiTouch is exactly the type of person she is looking for... someone who will say that the emperor is wearing fabulous clothes or that the Oz truly is great and mighty. Just be sure not to look behind the curtain.”
“She spouted some blather to a ghost writer, who organized, embellished, and wrote a book... then voila... she is a published writer. She gets COL and Scott to buy up all the books, and voila... she is a best seller.
“She gets her picture taken with enough celebrities and then shazzam... she is assumed to be one of them and in their circle.
“Scott gives her the title of CEO of LWS, and hocus-pocus... she now feels like she is on par with Steve Jobs or Larry Ellison.
“She buys an honorary doctorate from some unknown Korean college and abracadabra... she is now on the same level of someone who got their degree from Harvard.
“Let's not even go into the Order of Constantine... that is just sad... the pathetic grasping of a face-lifted social climber.”
“AiTouch is exactly the type of person she is looking for... someone who will say that the emperor is wearing fabulous clothes or that the Oz truly is great and mighty. Just be sure not to look behind the curtain.”
Shadow Dancer said, “I have a suggestion for Kimper's next Kaper. She has been thinking too small. I remember when she was given a black belt, poster, and plastic key ring from some obscure martial arts federation... she compared it to the Nobel Prize. It got me thinking...
“Nominations and deliberations surrounding the Nobel prize are sealed for 50 years. Why not have Scotty send a letter to the Nobel committee nominating kimmy. Then they could claim that kimpers is under consideration for the Nobel Prize. She could blather about her knowledge of da enagi and claim that the category she is in consideration for is particle physics. LWS could claim that Dr. Kim (who heads a company that makes laser particle detectors) has extensive knowledge of the subject. She or Scottums could browbeat all of the employees into writing glowing letters about her. Think about what a coup this would be. I'm sure the bogus nature of this will be no problem for her flexible morals.
“Nominations and deliberations surrounding the Nobel prize are sealed for 50 years. Why not have Scotty send a letter to the Nobel committee nominating kimmy. Then they could claim that kimpers is under consideration for the Nobel Prize. She could blather about her knowledge of da enagi and claim that the category she is in consideration for is particle physics. LWS could claim that Dr. Kim (who heads a company that makes laser particle detectors) has extensive knowledge of the subject. She or Scottums could browbeat all of the employees into writing glowing letters about her. Think about what a coup this would be. I'm sure the bogus nature of this will be no problem for her flexible morals.
Shadow Dancer said, “Hi Carson. I'm having some trouble remembering which of her honors is legit and worthwhile. I've tried to think back myself, but find that every one I can remember is either bogus or obtained under questionable circumstances. Her efforts in "Just Say No" were all terminated after her photo op was finished. All that she did was march in a parade while the rest of us did the foot work. Her participation with cancer survivors seems particularly despicable since all the the times she said she was getting cancer treatment, it was either plastic surgery or vacation trips overseas.
“Hey... another idea... Scotty can create the 'Noble" prize (instead of Nobel). He could then award her with it and with her pidgeon english, no one will the know the difference between Nobel and Noble.
“Hey... another idea... Scotty can create the 'Noble" prize (instead of Nobel). He could then award her with it and with her pidgeon english, no one will the know the difference between Nobel and Noble.
Failed Student said, “How funny but how true. I remember being given a huge poster of Tae Yun advertising her school (ATC). She explained that the printers were unable to remove the halo around her head ....
“Then there was the keychain that Scott hawked for four bucks each with her picture in it. A piece of cheap plastic probably worth no more than a quarter. They couldn't get me to buy one.
“Scott gave me a black and white 8x10 photo of Tae Yun that I was supposed to display prominently in my home......It was taken when she was probably about 30 years old or so.
Then there was a large framed photo of Tae Yun that I was required to return when I was suspended. Scott checked it over to see that I had not damaged it while it was in my possession.. Tae Yun has a real ego problem.
“Then there was the keychain that Scott hawked for four bucks each with her picture in it. A piece of cheap plastic probably worth no more than a quarter. They couldn't get me to buy one.
“Scott gave me a black and white 8x10 photo of Tae Yun that I was supposed to display prominently in my home......It was taken when she was probably about 30 years old or so.
Then there was a large framed photo of Tae Yun that I was required to return when I was suspended. Scott checked it over to see that I had not damaged it while it was in my possession.. Tae Yun has a real ego problem.
bemused said, “Ah, relationships and acronyms. Such were the nature of Tae Yun's control.
“At first, it appeared that no one in COL had relationships except the Gs and the Ls, who were married before they joined. Although I suspected, even as a beginning student, that Tae Yun and MM were together (this was confirmed by an earlier poster). Celibacy seemed to be the order of the day for those of us of insufficient spiritual strength.
“But then Scott-ES and DP-KW were announced, and after that relationships proliferated. After the breakup of her marriage, ES was assigned to Scott; apparently she was more pleased with this than he was. KW was with DP until he left, then with MF, then briefly with Adam G. Adam G was with Tae Yun herself, but also had encounters with HC, AP, KW, and perhaps more women. I could go on. Tae Yun tried to regulate and limit couples' intimacy so the focus would remain on her, although there was some sneaking around behind her back. And I think she liked breaking up marriages just for the sheer power of it.
“CA and I chose each other, but we were limited in how much time we could spend and how intimate we could get. At first, he seemed eager for any contact with me, but as the years went by, he became more and more of a workaholic, and finally, at the end, I wasn't sure if we still had a relationship or not. I broke up with him via email because it was the only way I could reach him at all. Sad.
“Naming is what parents do, and I think Tae Yun liked to take the place of the parents of her students. Someone in a previous post said that Tae Yun renamed a few people who were running away from creditors, then renamed more to cover that up.
“As for me, I was RS when I started training. She renamed me JS (different S). When I got married about two years after I left, I took the opportunity to change my name again. I put together the R from before COL, the J from COL, and the P from my husband after COL, becoming RJP. I tried to integrate my fractured name the way I've tried to integrate my fractured life.
“At first, it appeared that no one in COL had relationships except the Gs and the Ls, who were married before they joined. Although I suspected, even as a beginning student, that Tae Yun and MM were together (this was confirmed by an earlier poster). Celibacy seemed to be the order of the day for those of us of insufficient spiritual strength.
“But then Scott-ES and DP-KW were announced, and after that relationships proliferated. After the breakup of her marriage, ES was assigned to Scott; apparently she was more pleased with this than he was. KW was with DP until he left, then with MF, then briefly with Adam G. Adam G was with Tae Yun herself, but also had encounters with HC, AP, KW, and perhaps more women. I could go on. Tae Yun tried to regulate and limit couples' intimacy so the focus would remain on her, although there was some sneaking around behind her back. And I think she liked breaking up marriages just for the sheer power of it.
“CA and I chose each other, but we were limited in how much time we could spend and how intimate we could get. At first, he seemed eager for any contact with me, but as the years went by, he became more and more of a workaholic, and finally, at the end, I wasn't sure if we still had a relationship or not. I broke up with him via email because it was the only way I could reach him at all. Sad.
“Naming is what parents do, and I think Tae Yun liked to take the place of the parents of her students. Someone in a previous post said that Tae Yun renamed a few people who were running away from creditors, then renamed more to cover that up.
“As for me, I was RS when I started training. She renamed me JS (different S). When I got married about two years after I left, I took the opportunity to change my name again. I put together the R from before COL, the J from COL, and the P from my husband after COL, becoming RJP. I tried to integrate my fractured name the way I've tried to integrate my fractured life.
Failed Student said, “All the aforementioned initials are giving me a headache, but anyway, back here in Vermont Tae Yun did a good job of breaking up marriages and relationships too. She needed to be the center of attention, the focal point of everyone's lives.
“We were discouraged from making friends with whom we could do things outside the dojang. One young man and woman actually did manage to establish a relationship and married, but they had left training before that.
“I know that MF was seeing women before he got completely immersed in his training, and Scott stated in one of his testing essays that he was engaged to be married prior to getting brainwashed. WHH had plans to be a surgeon. That went down the tubes once he got sucked in. It is so sad to see lives ruined and derailed by this woman.”
“We were discouraged from making friends with whom we could do things outside the dojang. One young man and woman actually did manage to establish a relationship and married, but they had left training before that.
“I know that MF was seeing women before he got completely immersed in his training, and Scott stated in one of his testing essays that he was engaged to be married prior to getting brainwashed. WHH had plans to be a surgeon. That went down the tubes once he got sucked in. It is so sad to see lives ruined and derailed by this woman.”
Rossanna said “Bullshido is a place where "JSW Stuff" can be discussed openly with no COL intervention. The most they can do is join in the discussion which is their right just as everyone here has the right to talk about their own experiences. Facebook on the other hand is a bit more personal. I use it to communicate with family and friends and as I said before I do not accept requests from people I do not know simply because I don't like the idea of sharing whatever i have on my profile, be it pics, or discussions, or even just messages meant for PERSONAL friends and family with all and sundry.
“Regarding your comments about being “outed”, don't take it personally. Read through your previous posts. You blow hot and cold over the topics of kim, col and jsw. Not sure if you were just taking the role of devil's advocate in some cases but believe me when i tell you that in this scenario, the devil doesn't need any more advocates and if you persist in playing the part, then be prepared for the consequence of people not knowing whether to trust that you really are here just to share and not as a plant from the dark side so to speak. =D
“Adam G. The case with Kim was about the remote particle counter which Adam countered with a palimony suit as well as a host of other stuff. They settled out of court. The domestic violence thing was a restraining order slapped on by KW because of an incident that occurred while they were both still at LWS and in a relationship. TRO lasted a year and wasn't renewed. They have talked things out, apologies were made on both ends and it's done. This has nothing to do with Kim. It was an issue between the 2 of them and best left out of the discussion. Both have moved on and are content with their respective lives. Neither are interested in being a part of this so please respect that.
“Regarding your comments about being “outed”, don't take it personally. Read through your previous posts. You blow hot and cold over the topics of kim, col and jsw. Not sure if you were just taking the role of devil's advocate in some cases but believe me when i tell you that in this scenario, the devil doesn't need any more advocates and if you persist in playing the part, then be prepared for the consequence of people not knowing whether to trust that you really are here just to share and not as a plant from the dark side so to speak. =D
“Adam G. The case with Kim was about the remote particle counter which Adam countered with a palimony suit as well as a host of other stuff. They settled out of court. The domestic violence thing was a restraining order slapped on by KW because of an incident that occurred while they were both still at LWS and in a relationship. TRO lasted a year and wasn't renewed. They have talked things out, apologies were made on both ends and it's done. This has nothing to do with Kim. It was an issue between the 2 of them and best left out of the discussion. Both have moved on and are content with their respective lives. Neither are interested in being a part of this so please respect that.
New poster Buckyd said, “I wanted to thank all the ex-col and jsw members for their courage in speaking up. It does make a difference. Here's my story:
“The JSW demo team performed a "karate demonstration" at the Fremont Art Festival this summer in the kids' space. In my youth, I trained for a bit with positive results and I've been looking around for a place for my 5 year old daughter to learn the art, so she and I made sure to be there at the appointed time and watched the whole thing. While I thought that the mutliple references to the many-titled Grandmaster was a bit odd, I liked their overall message of acceptance/learning/bettering oneself through effort. JPalmer personally spoke with us, and he was quite charming. An Indian man was said to have started training there with his two children (although he appeared a little sheepish when this was so publicly pointed out), and it struck me that perhaps this was a place that she and I might train together. Certainly, the female-male equality was emphasized, which appealed to me. I added the school to the small list of places to consider this fall. After doing a little research on these (yelping, talking to friends whose kids do TKD or another MA, and reading this thread), I can confidently cross this one off the list.
“Consider your public statement as helping people make safe choices for themselves, if nothing else. I don't know whether my daughter's or my "type" of person would have appealed to Tae Yun for inner-circle invitations (we're a little bit on the independent and super-stubborn side), but I'm glad -- particularly for my daughter's and son's sakes -- I'm not going to find out.”
“The JSW demo team performed a "karate demonstration" at the Fremont Art Festival this summer in the kids' space. In my youth, I trained for a bit with positive results and I've been looking around for a place for my 5 year old daughter to learn the art, so she and I made sure to be there at the appointed time and watched the whole thing. While I thought that the mutliple references to the many-titled Grandmaster was a bit odd, I liked their overall message of acceptance/learning/bettering oneself through effort. JPalmer personally spoke with us, and he was quite charming. An Indian man was said to have started training there with his two children (although he appeared a little sheepish when this was so publicly pointed out), and it struck me that perhaps this was a place that she and I might train together. Certainly, the female-male equality was emphasized, which appealed to me. I added the school to the small list of places to consider this fall. After doing a little research on these (yelping, talking to friends whose kids do TKD or another MA, and reading this thread), I can confidently cross this one off the list.
“Consider your public statement as helping people make safe choices for themselves, if nothing else. I don't know whether my daughter's or my "type" of person would have appealed to Tae Yun for inner-circle invitations (we're a little bit on the independent and super-stubborn side), but I'm glad -- particularly for my daughter's and son's sakes -- I'm not going to find out.”
carson said, “Hi KitTae Yuni! Yes, LWS was pretty extreme for those who were also COL members. 90 + hour works weeks were the norm for some of us. I did so for 3+ years, and it took a huge toll on me, physically, mentally and emotionally. After I left it was several months before I began to de-stress and started to remember the things which I actually enjoyed about life.
“Thank you for backing off on your claims that some things to which you had no knowledge didn't happen. I was a part of many very strange 'classes', ones which I'm sure you would have trouble believing because they are so 'out there.' KK and Bemused had left before the group beating incident, but others may remember when Tae Yun was very angry at everyone for preparing to leave Stargazer (after she had told us all to do so because she was angry with 'everyone') Turns out she didn't actually want anyone to leave but wanted us all to grovel and beg her forgiveness. She came out screaming when she saw people getting ready to clean up and leave (she has cameras set up all throughout Stargazer so she can watch people from her home office.) She ordered everyone into re-birth full bowing position and proceded to whack everyone on the butt, legs are arms with her Mok Tok stick for a very long time. She just walked through the crowd beating on everyone. I don't know how many deep welts I got (all on areas that wouldn't show unless I removed my clothes) and it was hard to sit for weeks. Not one person got up and walked away. She beat especially hard on Scott because 'he hadn't stopped us from leaving.' He had some visible bruises that showed for days. He laughed them off to the non-COL at Lighthouse as sparring accidents.”
“Thank you for backing off on your claims that some things to which you had no knowledge didn't happen. I was a part of many very strange 'classes', ones which I'm sure you would have trouble believing because they are so 'out there.' KK and Bemused had left before the group beating incident, but others may remember when Tae Yun was very angry at everyone for preparing to leave Stargazer (after she had told us all to do so because she was angry with 'everyone') Turns out she didn't actually want anyone to leave but wanted us all to grovel and beg her forgiveness. She came out screaming when she saw people getting ready to clean up and leave (she has cameras set up all throughout Stargazer so she can watch people from her home office.) She ordered everyone into re-birth full bowing position and proceded to whack everyone on the butt, legs are arms with her Mok Tok stick for a very long time. She just walked through the crowd beating on everyone. I don't know how many deep welts I got (all on areas that wouldn't show unless I removed my clothes) and it was hard to sit for weeks. Not one person got up and walked away. She beat especially hard on Scott because 'he hadn't stopped us from leaving.' He had some visible bruises that showed for days. He laughed them off to the non-COL at Lighthouse as sparring accidents.”
carson said, “Hi Bemused! If you can, will you please point me to the write-up on when JW imitated Tae Yun? We may be writing about the same night, as a series of attempted imitations happened early on in the evening. (Tae Yun told a few of us to sit in her chair and act like her - most of us broke down and wouldn't do it. It was after JW did sit in her chair and attempt to imitate her that Tae Yun threw the fit, told us all to leave, and stormed out of the room. Once we actually did start to leave, Tae Yun returned and the beatings started.)
“The beating incident I wrote about happened at Stargazer, and the only participants were COL. It was early in 2004, I believe, perhaps at the Lunar New Year program but I'm not sure.
“I left on Nov 1, 2004, so if the event you spoke about above (with the Korean dignateries and 3 am phone call) was in 2004, it must have been late in the year as I don't remember it. Tae Yun did try to make us feel special if she 'gave' us such 'opportunities'. Tae Yun would often say that she was hardest only on those who were 'strong', 'connected' with her, or whom she trusted, and whom she loved the most! It made us want to be abused as it 'proved' she cared about us and we were 'worthy'.”
“I left on Nov 1, 2004, so if the event you spoke about above (with the Korean dignateries and 3 am phone call) was in 2004, it must have been late in the year as I don't remember it. Tae Yun did try to make us feel special if she 'gave' us such 'opportunities'. Tae Yun would often say that she was hardest only on those who were 'strong', 'connected' with her, or whom she trusted, and whom she loved the most! It made us want to be abused as it 'proved' she cared about us and we were 'worthy'.”
bemused said, “Carson, I would love to find the posts about the ET class where JW imitated Tae Yun again, but it's a lot of pages to search through, and my time is limited these days. It's too bad Chica took down her posts, because her description was especially vivid, as I recall. She said JW was quite funny, and the class couldn't keep from laughing. It was the laughing that got to Tae Yun. In any case, I think we have been talking about the same class.
“"I punish you because I love you" is an attempted justification common among abusive husbands too. It's also used by right-wing religious schools and drug rehab programs to control children and teenagers using fear.”
“"I punish you because I love you" is an attempted justification common among abusive husbands too. It's also used by right-wing religious schools and drug rehab programs to control children and teenagers using fear.”
Blackheart said, “Hey all, I was actually wondering about joining JSW but it disturbed me that there was the whole cult thing about it, so I did some digging and found this site. Anyways, I had taken some classes at JSW but in Parkour, not martial arts. I had been to a few of the parties that are for students and have spoken with a few of the instructors. The parties are very different from what you'd expect. Tae Yun humiliates her grandmasters in front of everyone and some other stuff that was unsettling for me.
“Personally, I was urged to join the school as a martial arts student instead of only Parkour, even when I said money was an issue, they said they could work something out, maybe work as an intern and get cheaper classes? Anyways, the staff is of course all friendly and charming. But I was able to observe some of the instructor's true character through the charm and I wasn't real pleased. Can someone provide links to ex-JSW/COL/Tae Yun students posting what they had experienced? I'm quite curious haha.”
“Personally, I was urged to join the school as a martial arts student instead of only Parkour, even when I said money was an issue, they said they could work something out, maybe work as an intern and get cheaper classes? Anyways, the staff is of course all friendly and charming. But I was able to observe some of the instructor's true character through the charm and I wasn't real pleased. Can someone provide links to ex-JSW/COL/Tae Yun students posting what they had experienced? I'm quite curious haha.”
bemused said, “Many facts of life in COL caused mild cognitive impairment, which was reversible but chronic. The most common was sleep deprivation. Tae Yun criticized those who pleaded for six hours of sleep, claiming that "her energy" could cause us to need less.
“Very intense exercise without sufficient rest can also cause temporary impairment. Slow exercises such as walking or yoga burn more fat, but the more intense the exercise, the more glucose it burns. The brain runs only on glucose, so intense exercise forces the brain to compete with the muscles.
“I don't think it was intentional in most cases, but our everyday diet was low in protein. At special meals at barbecue parties or restaurants we would eat meat, but most of the time we couldn't afford it. Early on when we got grocery allowances, Scott tried to limit our expenses, and later when we didn't get grocery allowances, we were on our own coping with paltry pay and excessive class fees, which squeezed out expensive foods in our budgets.
“Then there was the intentional infliction of crazy diets or fasts. Occasionally a guest athlete on a special program would be told to eat a lot of meat, but other diets used as punishments, "purifications," or weight loss programs included little or no meat, or even tofu. Some included just rice porridge for weeks on end, or one apple a day and nothing else.
“Finally, there was infliction of emotional distress in the form of humiliation, often in front of a group instructed to agree with Tae Yun. Intense emotion undermines reason. It can also sometimes paradoxically cause euphoria after a while because of the adrenalin, sort of like skydiving does.
“A fully sharp mind is very aware of Reality, including its unpleasant aspects. Cognitive impairment dulls awareness of Reality, which can cause complacency, if not euphoria.”
November 19, 2010
“Very intense exercise without sufficient rest can also cause temporary impairment. Slow exercises such as walking or yoga burn more fat, but the more intense the exercise, the more glucose it burns. The brain runs only on glucose, so intense exercise forces the brain to compete with the muscles.
“I don't think it was intentional in most cases, but our everyday diet was low in protein. At special meals at barbecue parties or restaurants we would eat meat, but most of the time we couldn't afford it. Early on when we got grocery allowances, Scott tried to limit our expenses, and later when we didn't get grocery allowances, we were on our own coping with paltry pay and excessive class fees, which squeezed out expensive foods in our budgets.
“Then there was the intentional infliction of crazy diets or fasts. Occasionally a guest athlete on a special program would be told to eat a lot of meat, but other diets used as punishments, "purifications," or weight loss programs included little or no meat, or even tofu. Some included just rice porridge for weeks on end, or one apple a day and nothing else.
“Finally, there was infliction of emotional distress in the form of humiliation, often in front of a group instructed to agree with Tae Yun. Intense emotion undermines reason. It can also sometimes paradoxically cause euphoria after a while because of the adrenalin, sort of like skydiving does.
“A fully sharp mind is very aware of Reality, including its unpleasant aspects. Cognitive impairment dulls awareness of Reality, which can cause complacency, if not euphoria.”
November 19, 2010
hyeongsa said, “Shadow, clearly the first statement "A person who does what is right, regardless of what another person says" is that of one who is more a warrior and the master of their own life. I might add, this is also indicative of a person of character and integrity. This continues to be a dilemma for those still in COL. You are forced to do things that you know are just plain wrong and to agree with Tae Yun's absurd statements.
“For example, having to apply for and accept unemployment money while working for Lighthouse. You know it is wrong and still, during those years many were doing it. Or, being told to tell someone that they looked great after Tae Yun cut their hair and applied make-up to them, that they looked amazing while in your heart, you know that Tae Yun just made them look really lame. OK, in the second example, maybe it could be excused simply to spare the person's feelings.
“Tae Yun always said we must follow her blindly to show our "trust" in our master. It's one thing to believe in someone and tell them they can kick higher in order to encourage them and get them to strive. Yet it is quite another to get someone to believe that lying, cheating and stealing is OK if it is for Tae Yun's "purpose".
“Everyone there has a conscience and having to constantly not listen to your inner voice telling you "this is wrong" causes a numbing affect as the years go by. This combined with someone constantly dictating every aspect of your life makes for a distorted view of life and Reality. When you leave, this is pretty hard to deal with. You begin to question things and decisions that normal people don't even think twice about.
“I guess you had to be there to understand what I'm talking about. Or, in some kind of other cult. To those who are there and may be reading this, it isn't too late. Next time you meditate, don't put Tae Yun in your mind and focus on her. Instead, ask God to show you the truth and seek Him. Think clearly. Find the real you and separate from the fake warrior Tae Yun has made you to be. Like Shadow's example, which is the true warrior?
“For example, having to apply for and accept unemployment money while working for Lighthouse. You know it is wrong and still, during those years many were doing it. Or, being told to tell someone that they looked great after Tae Yun cut their hair and applied make-up to them, that they looked amazing while in your heart, you know that Tae Yun just made them look really lame. OK, in the second example, maybe it could be excused simply to spare the person's feelings.
“Tae Yun always said we must follow her blindly to show our "trust" in our master. It's one thing to believe in someone and tell them they can kick higher in order to encourage them and get them to strive. Yet it is quite another to get someone to believe that lying, cheating and stealing is OK if it is for Tae Yun's "purpose".
“Everyone there has a conscience and having to constantly not listen to your inner voice telling you "this is wrong" causes a numbing affect as the years go by. This combined with someone constantly dictating every aspect of your life makes for a distorted view of life and Reality. When you leave, this is pretty hard to deal with. You begin to question things and decisions that normal people don't even think twice about.
“I guess you had to be there to understand what I'm talking about. Or, in some kind of other cult. To those who are there and may be reading this, it isn't too late. Next time you meditate, don't put Tae Yun in your mind and focus on her. Instead, ask God to show you the truth and seek Him. Think clearly. Find the real you and separate from the fake warrior Tae Yun has made you to be. Like Shadow's example, which is the true warrior?
Nocvember 20, 2010
Failed Student said, “These are very good observations KungFu4U. In order to be properly brainwashed, the process must be slow, and the effects insidious. The fact that mature persons were drawn in by her sales pitch alleviates my feelings of being easily bamboozled. If she is a grand master in any sense, she's a grand master of the scam.
“I know a lot more about this woman than I have been posting, but everything she did here in Vermont substantiates what you claim about your California experience.
“That analogy of slowly boiling a frog perhaps also reflects her insensitivity, her indifference to the sufferings of others. Yes, there are many ways of describing her psychopathology, and as Thanksgiving approaches, I again thank whatever higher power there is for allowing me to escape from Tae Yun's influence with my sanity and a roof over my head.
“In sum, she's just a garden variety cult leader....the same format as others, just the environment is a bit different. Be glad that you didn't end up in Guyana or a similar location. The only question that remains for me is "how will it all end"?”
“I know a lot more about this woman than I have been posting, but everything she did here in Vermont substantiates what you claim about your California experience.
“That analogy of slowly boiling a frog perhaps also reflects her insensitivity, her indifference to the sufferings of others. Yes, there are many ways of describing her psychopathology, and as Thanksgiving approaches, I again thank whatever higher power there is for allowing me to escape from Tae Yun's influence with my sanity and a roof over my head.
“In sum, she's just a garden variety cult leader....the same format as others, just the environment is a bit different. Be glad that you didn't end up in Guyana or a similar location. The only question that remains for me is "how will it all end"?”
Failed Student said, “I am curious as to Tae Yun's finances. She is living in a multimillion dollar house with expensive ( if not tasteful) furnishings, has a Mercedes, and a vast wardrobe. I wonder if she files a tax return and what amount of income she declares. Maybe she runs this through LWS, but it seems the IRS should look into this.”
bemused said, “I wasn't privy to much financial info, but Tae Yun herself said that everything is in her instructor's names except Lighthouse, which benefits from being a woman- and minority-owned business. You can be sure that if the IRS comes after her, the instructors will take the fall.
“I was asked to deposit one of Tae Yun's paychecks once. I did some quick math in my head and guessed that at the time Tae Yun was being paid about $200K after taxes. That's not unreasonable for the CEO of a small company until you factor in that 1) Lighthouse employees in COL doing white-collar work were making less than $20K, which in the SF Bay Area is barely enough to live on, and 2) Lighthouse is a producer of software and of hardware devices, but Tae Yun is so tech-challenged she can't even use an ATM.”
“I was asked to deposit one of Tae Yun's paychecks once. I did some quick math in my head and guessed that at the time Tae Yun was being paid about $200K after taxes. That's not unreasonable for the CEO of a small company until you factor in that 1) Lighthouse employees in COL doing white-collar work were making less than $20K, which in the SF Bay Area is barely enough to live on, and 2) Lighthouse is a producer of software and of hardware devices, but Tae Yun is so tech-challenged she can't even use an ATM.”
Failed Student said, “Yes but how does she justify a six million dollar house, purchased in cash? At 200K per annum, it would take thirty years to amass that kind of money. And that's only the house...all those furnishings and clothing cost plenty.”
December 21, 2010
bemused said, “The house and car are almost certainly in the instructors' names. The furnishings were almost certainly purchased with instructors' accounts. That's how Tae Yun arranges things. The $200K probably amounted to a clothing allowance, and it has probably increased.”
Failed Student said, “Well, whoever has their names on the deed to the house and the title to the car is irrelevant. Somebody paid millions for the house and plenty for a Mercedes, and the whole arrangement should be looked into. Then there's the matter of people signing over their inheritances to Tae Yun. Isn't that money taxable?”
Bemused said, “I wasn't privy to much financial info, but Tae Yun herself said that everything is in her instructor's names except Lighthouse, which benefits from being a woman- and minority-owned business. You can be sure that if the IRS comes after her, the instructors will take the fall.”
Failed student said, “Her instructors aren't going to get much out of this. The school is probably not turning a profit, the value of the house is going down in this economy, the Mercedes is depreciating, and the only income is drawn from Lighthouse...and I would deduce that things aren't going that well if there are layoffs and the people work there for free while drawing unemployment.”
Kathy Kim said, “Yes, the true Light is Our Lord......to believe that "she" is the light is not only wrong but a mortal sin. For her also. If you are all studing the Catholic religion, because she says she is Catholic now. You know it is wrong. Or is she your confessor? Does she think she can absolve you of your sins? She always read the Bible to fit it to say what she wanted it to mean. To make her feel or be more important. You are all smart, don't believe me, talk to a priest. Happy new years to all. May 2011 bring you many blessings.”
Shadow Dancer said, “Regarding religion and religious messages: "Religion" is like a penis. It is great to have one, it is even ok to be proud of it. But, it isn't ok to whip it out, wave it around, use it as a club, or try to shove it down someone's throat.”
Shadow Dancer said, “COL should realize that they only way they will ever be the 'masters of their lives' is if they leave. You cannot claim control of your life if you are being told: where to sleep, what to eat, what to wear, how to look, who to marry, what job to take, what car to drive, what to study, what to believe, how to vote, etc. A sign of maturity is the ability to make responsible decisions for yourself. The longer you stay with kim, the more of your life slips away.”
bemused said, “Another reason she abuses her students is to test their loyalty, which she feels she can never trust completely. Think about the people you're loyal to who aren't related to you and don't pay you. Why are you loyal? It's because you simply like them, or love them. Kimmie doesn't think she can be loved just for who she is. She thinks she has to perform miracles to be loved. She sees that her students expect miracles, and that the students who cease to believe in her miraculous powers leave. She senses the self-interest under their slavish shows of devotion, and even though she brought it on with all her promises, she resents it.”
Failed Student said, “As was stated, Tae Yun's world is shrinking...and like some rich eccentrics who end up living their lives in a decaying mansion surrounded by memories and past glories, I believe this may come to pass here also.
“I can't feel any pity for her, and as I reviewed those new videos on the JSW website, it struck me that it was all about praise for Tae Yun, and it was unconvincing to me. Her followers are empty robotic beings.
“I also was shocked at the change in appearance of Michael F. and Scott. I know people age, but their skin tone is unhealthy, they have bags under their eyes, and even their eyes themselves appear sunken, unfocused and dead. Even JP has that look about him..eyes staring ahead, expressionless.
“I wonder what prompted Tae Yun to go to Istanbul...other than a probable shopping spree.
“The Kirkwood clip too was an occasion for Tae Yun to show off her expensive snow bunny clothes. I don't think I'd be intimidated by these guys who punch snowbanks and kick at pine branches. Scott doesn't impress me either with that long drawn out yell...wtf?”
“I can't feel any pity for her, and as I reviewed those new videos on the JSW website, it struck me that it was all about praise for Tae Yun, and it was unconvincing to me. Her followers are empty robotic beings.
“I also was shocked at the change in appearance of Michael F. and Scott. I know people age, but their skin tone is unhealthy, they have bags under their eyes, and even their eyes themselves appear sunken, unfocused and dead. Even JP has that look about him..eyes staring ahead, expressionless.
“I wonder what prompted Tae Yun to go to Istanbul...other than a probable shopping spree.
“The Kirkwood clip too was an occasion for Tae Yun to show off her expensive snow bunny clothes. I don't think I'd be intimidated by these guys who punch snowbanks and kick at pine branches. Scott doesn't impress me either with that long drawn out yell...wtf?”
Failed Student said, “Kitty Ki: I have been reading over your posts and need to make a correction to your definition of Tae Yun's ex-husband as being wealthy. He never was, and when I was affiliated for him, his appearance of financial success was based on his use of OPM - Other People's Money.
“In fact, he declared bankruptcy in Vermont. When I sued him, he declared bankruptcy. Had I known that he had a prior bankruptcy, I never would have lent him money for his failed real estate business - EV-R-Green. Perhaps this is one of the reasons he changed his name from Art to Mark when he went to California.”
“In fact, he declared bankruptcy in Vermont. When I sued him, he declared bankruptcy. Had I known that he had a prior bankruptcy, I never would have lent him money for his failed real estate business - EV-R-Green. Perhaps this is one of the reasons he changed his name from Art to Mark when he went to California.”
bemused said, “I have a new theory about Kimmie. Before I've said that she shows signs of the Cluster B personality disorders: narcissistic, antisocial, histrionic, and borderline. But something else might be going on.
“I've been reflecting on learning disabilities lately. I have a cousin who is dyslexic. Another friend may or may not have a learning disability, but he has always struggled with math. Although both of these people are responsible and ethical, there's a correlation between learning disabilities and criminal behavior. It could be that some kids with learning disabilities feel that they've been dealt a bad hand by life and take their frustration out on just about everybody.
“Kimmie can't use an ATM or a computer. She has other people write for her, keep her schedule, manage her money, and so on. She seems to have three talents: martial arts, maintaining a showy personal appearance, and charming/manipulating people. I wonder if perhaps she has some sort of learning disability that, starting in her teens, she compensated for by manipulating other people into doing things for her. Then as time went on, controlling people became an end in itself.”
“I've been reflecting on learning disabilities lately. I have a cousin who is dyslexic. Another friend may or may not have a learning disability, but he has always struggled with math. Although both of these people are responsible and ethical, there's a correlation between learning disabilities and criminal behavior. It could be that some kids with learning disabilities feel that they've been dealt a bad hand by life and take their frustration out on just about everybody.
“Kimmie can't use an ATM or a computer. She has other people write for her, keep her schedule, manage her money, and so on. She seems to have three talents: martial arts, maintaining a showy personal appearance, and charming/manipulating people. I wonder if perhaps she has some sort of learning disability that, starting in her teens, she compensated for by manipulating other people into doing things for her. Then as time went on, controlling people became an end in itself.”
Failed Student said, “Bemused, I would diagnose Tae Yun as a sociopath as well as being a sadist. She certainly fits the deifinition of sociopath, and in my personal observations, a sadist.
“Whenever she could determine what gave one of her students pleasure, she would do her damndest to deny that pleasure to them. In my case, I love tennis - so she tried to get me to give up tennis.
“Most people have an attachment to their familiy members as well as their friends - so she tried to get them to break those ties. She was so effective in that tactic, that Scott among others came to think that their "family" resided in the small confines of her group of disciples, and probably continue to think so to this day. It was frightening and an awakening to me when Scott stated that he minimized his contact with the world "out there", and was only comfortable being with Tae Yun et al. Michael F. also stated that those in the group were his friends...apparently he had detached from the outside world and had no friends outside of the group. Sad..”
“Whenever she could determine what gave one of her students pleasure, she would do her damndest to deny that pleasure to them. In my case, I love tennis - so she tried to get me to give up tennis.
“Most people have an attachment to their familiy members as well as their friends - so she tried to get them to break those ties. She was so effective in that tactic, that Scott among others came to think that their "family" resided in the small confines of her group of disciples, and probably continue to think so to this day. It was frightening and an awakening to me when Scott stated that he minimized his contact with the world "out there", and was only comfortable being with Tae Yun et al. Michael F. also stated that those in the group were his friends...apparently he had detached from the outside world and had no friends outside of the group. Sad..”
Kathy said in regards to vandalism to her property, “I made several police reports....they came after me many times. Yes she really hates me. I knew secrets, and I let them all out. I won an IRS case against her. She tried saying I was a contract employee...they didn't want to pay my taxes. Good thing I keep paperwork..I won the case. She had to pay and was fined. Spencer left her because of her lies. I'm the one that told him, and he confirmed the lies and got the annulment. They tried to scare me and keep me from testifying. That is the main reason she hates me. I showed the police where scott wrote on a piece of paper about FS and checking her out and her car. I also told them who was told to do that. I heard about everyone on the roof looking for me to cause her harm...I proved I was in North Carolina........I wonder who got in trouble for that?”
bemused said, “Ah, the Days of Deep Doo-Doo. At times Kimmie would get upset at everyone in COL for failing her in some way. For example, an event wouldn't go as planned, she would blame COL and tell them to leave her presence, and they would take her literally instead of taking the hint that it was time to grovel. Or too many people would complain to her about COL conditions or about other COL members, Kimmie would feel overly burdened, and she would put everyone on a special "program."
“At these times, COL would be suffering some indignity behind the scenes, such as fasting or not being allowed to talk, but while in martial arts class or at work (before everyone worked at Lighthouse), they would have to pretend that everything was normal. The higher up you were the weirder things were, and the more acting talent it took to fake normalcy. It was somewhat like a domestic violence victim hiding bruises. Maybe COL is going though something like that now.”
“At these times, COL would be suffering some indignity behind the scenes, such as fasting or not being allowed to talk, but while in martial arts class or at work (before everyone worked at Lighthouse), they would have to pretend that everything was normal. The higher up you were the weirder things were, and the more acting talent it took to fake normalcy. It was somewhat like a domestic violence victim hiding bruises. Maybe COL is going though something like that now.”
Failed Student said, “That not being allowed to talk happened here in VT also - I was trying to put up the school sign (ATC at the time) and the poor guy I was working with was on that special program of silence. It was majorly difficult to get the sign up under those circumstances.
“On another occasion, I was working with another student building tables for the Buddhist temple Tae Yun's mother headed. We had to work through the night without speaking, assembling the tables for the following day's service. Totally crazy...no talking, no sleep, no food....That wacko temple is a whole story in itself.”
“On another occasion, I was working with another student building tables for the Buddhist temple Tae Yun's mother headed. We had to work through the night without speaking, assembling the tables for the following day's service. Totally crazy...no talking, no sleep, no food....That wacko temple is a whole story in itself.”
Shadow Dancer said, “At this point in time, I think kimmie is through. Her schtick is becoming blase', there are too many other 'Rolex Reverends' out there vying for the 'pre-enlightened' yuppsters money, and her own behavior is making too much of an impression on would-be contributors. She is no longer important or interesting. She should change her name to: "Little Miss Bossy
Bemused said, “I agree. Her popularity, such as it was, seemed to peak in the mid-90s. It's just too bad that Little Miss Bossy Pants still has minions to boss around. It may be harder to leave now than it was when I did. The economy is bad, they've been in for much of their lives, and LMBP has various ways of trapping them, including marrying them with each other.”
Then Failed Student said, “I should hope as all Tae Yun's minions get older, they get a bit wiser. Even the most brainwashed retain a vestige of Reality, deep in the recesses of their subconscious minds. They may soon, if not already, see her as an aging woman making irrational demands that exceed normal parameters.
“Marriage is not a barrier to leaving either. These are arranged situations and from what I can deduce, not based on any desire to live happily ever after.
“I draw a parallel with North Korea, a country so despotic it boggles the mind. Those living under that regime their entire lives still yearn for freedom and take inordinate risks to cross the border into China. Those living under the iron thumb of Tae Yun are no different in their wants and desires.”
bemused said, “It may be harder to leave now than it was when I did. The economy is bad, they've been in for much of their lives, and LMBP has various ways of trapping them, including marrying them with each other.”
“Marriage is not a barrier to leaving either. These are arranged situations and from what I can deduce, not based on any desire to live happily ever after.
“I draw a parallel with North Korea, a country so despotic it boggles the mind. Those living under that regime their entire lives still yearn for freedom and take inordinate risks to cross the border into China. Those living under the iron thumb of Tae Yun are no different in their wants and desires.”
bemused said, “It may be harder to leave now than it was when I did. The economy is bad, they've been in for much of their lives, and LMBP has various ways of trapping them, including marrying them with each other.”
Shadow Dancer said, “She also has them believing that the outside world is out to get them and that their only safe refuge is with her, as she has mystical abilities to read portents and omens. They are now all absorbed children living in a tree-house believing that they are alone and brave.
“LMBP has gotten them away from the ability to think for themselves. They look to her for advice on what to eat, who to date, what to wear, where to work, where to live, when to wake up, when to go to bed, who to talk to, who to shun, what the bible says, what car to buy, who to donate to, how to vote, etc. The really ironic thing is that they think that they are the masters of their lives. She reinforces her control with alternating hissy-fits and a few words of praise. They literally cannot survive without her. In some ways, they are better off with her now as they are unable to live in the real-world. Taking them away from the only environment they have known for decades would probably cause more harm than good.”
“LMBP has gotten them away from the ability to think for themselves. They look to her for advice on what to eat, who to date, what to wear, where to work, where to live, when to wake up, when to go to bed, who to talk to, who to shun, what the bible says, what car to buy, who to donate to, how to vote, etc. The really ironic thing is that they think that they are the masters of their lives. She reinforces her control with alternating hissy-fits and a few words of praise. They literally cannot survive without her. In some ways, they are better off with her now as they are unable to live in the real-world. Taking them away from the only environment they have known for decades would probably cause more harm than good.”
Failed Student said, “The original ATC logo had six yin yangs (I think in Korean it's "um yang") around the center one..there were six original founders of the school, myself included, although I was the lowest ranking one, by her imperial fiat. I was also the lone female in that elite group. Scott was the only black belt at the time, Michael F. and WHH were I think red belts, DP purple, and I green. I forget the other person's last name, but his first initial was J, and I think he leapfrogged over me in promotion. Of course, Queen Bee was the center um yang.
“The number six is sacred to Tae Yun, and whilst I was still in her good graces, I sat at the round table she had in her office and shared meals with the others. There were seven chairs, and Scott and WHH sat on either side of madame, then those of us with lower ranks, further away. Once I was banished to the gulag (outside her office) for various reasons, primarily no longer financially backing her, that never occurred again.”
“The number six is sacred to Tae Yun, and whilst I was still in her good graces, I sat at the round table she had in her office and shared meals with the others. There were seven chairs, and Scott and WHH sat on either side of madame, then those of us with lower ranks, further away. Once I was banished to the gulag (outside her office) for various reasons, primarily no longer financially backing her, that never occurred again.”
Failed Student said, “The Tae Yun Foundation is not listed in the American Institute of Philanthropy. So who or what is the Tae Yun Foundation? Who are their officers other than Scott, what amount of money do they bring in, what is their administrative overhead as a percentage of their income, etc etc? There should be an annual report with this information available to the public. Save the Children appears to be legit, although some are questioning their fund raising techniques , as in pressuring potential donors.
Shadow Dancer said, “In all honesty, do we really expect kimmie's foundation to be of any benefit other than to her? She needs a continual chorus telling her how generous, or talented, or beautiful, or wise, or skilled she is. She did something similar with the "Just Say No" rally in DC. Everyone was pressured into going out and grovelling for donations. Kimmie marched through the streets of Milpitas with cheering throngs of students behind her. We all then went to DC. She stayed in a glorious hotel and all the minions who did the work got to sleep in a cockroach haven. At the Mall, kimmie shouted her blather and some students broke a few bricks and did a few forms. Kimmie got her photo op, the students got the bill, and no one ever mentioned the "Just Say No" program again, as it had served it's purpose of 'promoting glandmaster'.”
Failed Student said, “Why does this not surprise me? I suspect that the black belt testing and all that nonsense will be just a front for her self- promotion and glorification. I wonder whether there will be a sell out crowd to this farce. or perhaps her students will be pressured to buy multiple tickets just as they were pressured to buy multiple copies of her books when she had her book signings... I hope at least Save the Children gets a creditable amount of proceeds from this. Then again, why did they ever lend their name to this event?”
Failed Student said, “There are tons of martial arts schools in California. I wonder if the general public is willing to pay good money to watch students test for their black belts. Master demonstrations - I suppose it will be the usual breaking stuff which is just a practical application of the laws of physics and no magical "enagee".
“Way back in the dawn of time when Lighthouse was called The Software Group here in Vermont, these same people hired a conference room in the local Radisson Hotel to shill their software which was designed to facilitate the finding of real estate properties for the prospective client as well as determine how much of a mortgage they could afford and what the payments would be. A very few realtors showed up and I was coerced by madame to attend so as to add another warm body to this small gathering. The presentation was embarrassingly childish and I believe they sold only one realtor on the package...which later it turned out, was a bad deal as the software was incompatible with his computer etc etc...and he was pissed as hell.
“So will this supposed fund raiser be another fiasco? I have already donated through a charitable group with sterling creds, so I think I shall decline to attend.”
“Way back in the dawn of time when Lighthouse was called The Software Group here in Vermont, these same people hired a conference room in the local Radisson Hotel to shill their software which was designed to facilitate the finding of real estate properties for the prospective client as well as determine how much of a mortgage they could afford and what the payments would be. A very few realtors showed up and I was coerced by madame to attend so as to add another warm body to this small gathering. The presentation was embarrassingly childish and I believe they sold only one realtor on the package...which later it turned out, was a bad deal as the software was incompatible with his computer etc etc...and he was pissed as hell.
“So will this supposed fund raiser be another fiasco? I have already donated through a charitable group with sterling creds, so I think I shall decline to attend.”
Failed Student said, “In Vermont, Tae Yun (Kyong-Ae) used to squeeze the last drop of energy out of her minions also. There was a Korean master in Florida (who, by the way, had a mail-order PhD) which he proudly displayed at his dojang. Yes, I know his name but will not publish it here..
“Anyhoo, Scott, Michael F., WHH drove from Vermont to Florida to be at the grand opening of his new dojang. They were exhausted from no sleep, but madame made them do some breaking and sparring. It went badly - Scott usually could break bottles, but not on this occasion. The sparring was in slow mo...After the event was over and we had some food that was brought by parents of the students, we headed north - five of us packed into Scott's VW Jetta...non-stop, each of us driving for a few hours. At one point, somewhere around CT, Michael F. did drift off the road but woke up in time, and gave me the wheel. It was one ride from hell from start to finish...somewhere in the south, Scott got a speeding ticket and we paid up on the spot rather than wait for a few days and go to court. What a racket that is, but in truth, he was speeding. Rather than use the interstate to avoid NYC, Scott decided to go through all that traffic, tunnels, and noise, which added a few more unpleasant hours to the trip. Of course, madame snoozed all the way as she did not have to drive. When we finally reached VT, another diversion...instead of getting to our homes, madame decided to go to a local quarry where we (illegally) swam and trained during the summer.
“Of course, I was tricked into even going on this trip...I flew down to FLA with her and was supposed to fly back the next day, but surprise, surprise - her three minions appeared, and I was obligated to take the grueling trip back with them. Not only did I have to stay awake, I had to listen to some damned tape of a Buddhist priest chanting - over and over again, until I thought I would go insane. Talk about brainwashing.”......
“Anyhoo, Scott, Michael F., WHH drove from Vermont to Florida to be at the grand opening of his new dojang. They were exhausted from no sleep, but madame made them do some breaking and sparring. It went badly - Scott usually could break bottles, but not on this occasion. The sparring was in slow mo...After the event was over and we had some food that was brought by parents of the students, we headed north - five of us packed into Scott's VW Jetta...non-stop, each of us driving for a few hours. At one point, somewhere around CT, Michael F. did drift off the road but woke up in time, and gave me the wheel. It was one ride from hell from start to finish...somewhere in the south, Scott got a speeding ticket and we paid up on the spot rather than wait for a few days and go to court. What a racket that is, but in truth, he was speeding. Rather than use the interstate to avoid NYC, Scott decided to go through all that traffic, tunnels, and noise, which added a few more unpleasant hours to the trip. Of course, madame snoozed all the way as she did not have to drive. When we finally reached VT, another diversion...instead of getting to our homes, madame decided to go to a local quarry where we (illegally) swam and trained during the summer.
“Of course, I was tricked into even going on this trip...I flew down to FLA with her and was supposed to fly back the next day, but surprise, surprise - her three minions appeared, and I was obligated to take the grueling trip back with them. Not only did I have to stay awake, I had to listen to some damned tape of a Buddhist priest chanting - over and over again, until I thought I would go insane. Talk about brainwashing.”......
Kitrty Ki wrote about going to the Korean Fashion Show and Cultural Living Treasure award in 1996.
bemused said, “I was there. Kimmie wanted the COL women to help the models backstage. I couldn't bring myself to do it because I was horrified at how skeletal they were. As I recall Blondie KS gained brownie points by being really good at helping the models. One good thing to come out of that day was that my envy of fashion models ceased that day, never to return. But I digress.
“It did seem really odd that Kimmie was usurping a fashion show to get this award. I wondered what was in it for the KBC, or whatever that organization was. I thought it was Seon Productions, the same people who did the Romancercize videos, but my memory could be fuzzy. Maybe they thought Kimmie was as important as she said she was.
“As I recall, Carson was with a few people who flew to LA. They all shared a hotel room, unbeknown to the hotel, and used sleeping bags. I was with this non-COL family who drove their giant RV down. They also drove all night on the return trip.”
“It did seem really odd that Kimmie was usurping a fashion show to get this award. I wondered what was in it for the KBC, or whatever that organization was. I thought it was Seon Productions, the same people who did the Romancercize videos, but my memory could be fuzzy. Maybe they thought Kimmie was as important as she said she was.
“As I recall, Carson was with a few people who flew to LA. They all shared a hotel room, unbeknown to the hotel, and used sleeping bags. I was with this non-COL family who drove their giant RV down. They also drove all night on the return trip.”
Failed Student
Talk about crazy stuff KitTae Yuni - “Your comment about Tae Yun asking Willie Brown about his "junk" reminds me of the time we went to Florida for a tournament sponsored by the master Tae Yun knew there. On the plane trip back, she saw an older gentleman and struck up a conversation with him - asked him how old he was (60) and then flattered him, saying how young he looked. She then had him pose for a picture with her and a few of her senior students. He did look a bit dumbfounded but went along with it anyway.
“Also on that trip back, Michael F. stood at the front aisle of the plane and announced to everyone that we had just been to a tournament. Yeah, he got some applause, but I think it took a lot of nerve to impose oneself on a captive audience like that, but that seems to be their modus.
“On another occasion, at one of the testings at her dojang, Tae Yun got some 85 or so year old woman off the street to come in and watch the testing as a guest. Poor dear, she was incontinent of urine and a bit daft in the head, but anyway.........
“We also went to a tournament in Connecticut, and Tae Yun and I shared a real hotel room. Michael F. and DP were going to sneak in and sleep there too. I do have a sense of honesty, and so I paid for a room for them as well as my own. I do not believe in cheating...and I believe Integrity is one of the tenets of the martial arts code of honor. (CIPSI) All the other students slept in sleeping bags on the floor of a local dojang - about 50 in all - and one bathroom. Well, at least they could have a buffet breakfast at the hotel we were staying at.”
“Also on that trip back, Michael F. stood at the front aisle of the plane and announced to everyone that we had just been to a tournament. Yeah, he got some applause, but I think it took a lot of nerve to impose oneself on a captive audience like that, but that seems to be their modus.
“On another occasion, at one of the testings at her dojang, Tae Yun got some 85 or so year old woman off the street to come in and watch the testing as a guest. Poor dear, she was incontinent of urine and a bit daft in the head, but anyway.........
“We also went to a tournament in Connecticut, and Tae Yun and I shared a real hotel room. Michael F. and DP were going to sneak in and sleep there too. I do have a sense of honesty, and so I paid for a room for them as well as my own. I do not believe in cheating...and I believe Integrity is one of the tenets of the martial arts code of honor. (CIPSI) All the other students slept in sleeping bags on the floor of a local dojang - about 50 in all - and one bathroom. Well, at least they could have a buffet breakfast at the hotel we were staying at.”
bemused said, “Kimmie has this need to take her audience with her everywhere. Most of the time it's not enough just to take one or two assistants. Perhaps she doesn't really trust that people outside her inner circle will admire her properly unless her own acolytes show them how. She wants the equivalent of cheerleaders, or a claque in an opera audience.
“Her accommodations are always better than those of her followers, partly because of her sense of entitlement and partly because the class fees she charges leave her followers broke. And she thinks she's being generous by "allowing" people to go with her.
“She loves it when she can attract attention from strangers, and she's not too picky. When she was younger, she could do it with her looks. Now she does it by looking over-the-top flashy. In places like Instabul, signs of wealth get attention. Here, she has to settle for brazen tackiness.”
“Her accommodations are always better than those of her followers, partly because of her sense of entitlement and partly because the class fees she charges leave her followers broke. And she thinks she's being generous by "allowing" people to go with her.
“She loves it when she can attract attention from strangers, and she's not too picky. When she was younger, she could do it with her looks. Now she does it by looking over-the-top flashy. In places like Instabul, signs of wealth get attention. Here, she has to settle for brazen tackiness.”
Failed Student said, “But since we're on the subject of calling someone out Jacob et al - Back in the day of the Software Group in Vermont, Scott was trying to get me entrapped into this entity. He told me that they needed "x" number of dollars to buy computers, and then a few days later, he changed his story to say that they needed the money for something else. When I told him about that change, he said that he "felt I would be more comfortable" with the second explanation. So in effect, Scott is a liar, and expresses no guilt about it. Anything to serve his master....
“You have no idea how every day I thank whatever higher power there is that I did not succumb to this nonsense Scott spewed. He even told me that if I joined the Software Group, give them my money, that "they would take care of me". I now think the way they would have taken care of me would be to take my money and then throw me out in the street. If now Scott and his master find themselves in financial difficulties, I will regard this as karmic justice.”
“You have no idea how every day I thank whatever higher power there is that I did not succumb to this nonsense Scott spewed. He even told me that if I joined the Software Group, give them my money, that "they would take care of me". I now think the way they would have taken care of me would be to take my money and then throw me out in the street. If now Scott and his master find themselves in financial difficulties, I will regard this as karmic justice.”
Failed Student said, “Generally speaking, dinners are more expensive than lunches, even though the menu is the same. They tack on for ambiance or whatever. If you had to pay Tae Yun directly for the meal, rather than the restaurant, then probably she did pocket a bit.
“We bought our doboks et al from Tae Yun. At the time, she paid about 16 dollars for them and we were charged 30. Same for the jackets we had our arms twisted to buy - cost 58, charged 75.
“Tae Yun's parents had a store where they sold imported Asian foods as well as dobuks and belts. Tae Yun bypassed them and made her profit, thereby cutting off her own family from some income. By accident, UPS once delivered a box of dobuks to the store which was meant instead for Tae Yun's dojang, (ATC) and her mother had a hissy fit about it. Not to worry though, Scott and the rest of them bought most of their food through the store, so all was not lost. Of course, they lived mostly on rice, ramen, and kimchi..”
“We bought our doboks et al from Tae Yun. At the time, she paid about 16 dollars for them and we were charged 30. Same for the jackets we had our arms twisted to buy - cost 58, charged 75.
“Tae Yun's parents had a store where they sold imported Asian foods as well as dobuks and belts. Tae Yun bypassed them and made her profit, thereby cutting off her own family from some income. By accident, UPS once delivered a box of dobuks to the store which was meant instead for Tae Yun's dojang, (ATC) and her mother had a hissy fit about it. Not to worry though, Scott and the rest of them bought most of their food through the store, so all was not lost. Of course, they lived mostly on rice, ramen, and kimchi..”
Failed Student said, I just checked the Santa Clara Convention Center events schedule, and Tae Yun's demo/testing is not on there. I think if it is to happen, it may be contingent on advance sales revenue being sufficient to give them a deposit, and so far the results of their advertising haven't produced much. (Just some rational speculation on my part).
“Perhaps all former students and their friends will be invited to attend so it will look like a big success, but either the invitees will have to pay their own way or the voucher givers (students) will have to ante up. There is probably a big push going on within JSW to get students to get those vouchers out there, and probably some kind of a prize for the person that gives out the most vouchers...woe betide the laggard that gives out the fewest.
“Perhaps all former students and their friends will be invited to attend so it will look like a big success, but either the invitees will have to pay their own way or the voucher givers (students) will have to ante up. There is probably a big push going on within JSW to get students to get those vouchers out there, and probably some kind of a prize for the person that gives out the most vouchers...woe betide the laggard that gives out the fewest.
“The JSW website doesn't give the details I am looking for concerning the prizes. For instance, that trip to Hawaii - is it a plane ticket, or hotel accomodations, or both? And how long a stay is included in that trip? I want some specifics .
“This raffle is an inducement to bring in students. I think it also departs from the original concept of martial arts training and cheapens it by dangling lures of money and other prizes. The old masters must be turning in their graves.”
“This raffle is an inducement to bring in students. I think it also departs from the original concept of martial arts training and cheapens it by dangling lures of money and other prizes. The old masters must be turning in their graves.”
Failed Student said, “I see the JSW website has been updated with some more hype. It is interesting however, that the video shows the Tae Yun of perhaps twenty five years ago, and wearing the ATC patch on her dobuk. She certainly has changed in appearance (as many of us have in that period of time), but still I find it a bit disingenuous to show a younger version of Tae Yun and not the heavier, fuller faced, zaftig person she is today.
“Well, now we know who the special guest is - Lou Gossett Jr. I enjoyed him very much in "Enemy Mine" as the alien that befriended the Earthling. I had thought the special guest might be "The Governator" but I guess he has problems of his own at the moment.”
“Well, now we know who the special guest is - Lou Gossett Jr. I enjoyed him very much in "Enemy Mine" as the alien that befriended the Earthling. I had thought the special guest might be "The Governator" but I guess he has problems of his own at the moment.”
The testing and masters exhibition is now on the Santa Clara Convention Center web site but the academy continues to search desperaterly for students. Kitty Ki has since been harassed by the Jung SuWon leaders for posting on Bullshido and will no longer post there. Meanwhile, the sycophants continue to inquest as to who posts on the site while calling ex students to come to their ceremony in July, but if they refuse the leaders figure they must have posted bad things about Tae Yun or else they would love to come. They are being insane.
COL still exists as a secret organization doing business as Stargazer or the Tae Yun foundation.
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