Then Jacob (Jacob or Juliana’s son) said, “Juliana -- And if other things happened between two people...without getting into details right now, there definitely was physical, emotional and mental abuse that occurred privately to the parties involved.
“Welcome. Knowing your story, I think it is important to know how women and men were dolled out different punishments, and what those punishments consisted of...I know it is traumatic, but for the fact of documenting it publicly, I think it is important.”
Then Juliana said, “Disciplinary actions, Here is an outline from a recollection l I wrote about a year ago of what transpired in 2002 after a minor sexually related incident that occurred with an instructor that is still there.
“I had sent Tae Yun an e-mail journal telling her what happened within 8 hours of the occurrence, but she hadn’t received it yet as she had just returned from another “medically related procedure” (plastic surgery in LA.)
“She called me to her personal residence and proceeded to yell at me relentlessly, accusing me of doing something and not telling her about it. The instructor had obviously already confessed to her. I was accused of being deceitful and not sharing this encounter with her. She called her assistant (COL female instructor), got the journal and verified in fact I had sent her communication. Other than this small sexually oriented infraction I had been totally celibate the entire 8 years I was a student of hers.
“Disciplining started that night and included the following: Starting near 7pm and lasting until sunrise she disciplined the instructor and I as we kneeled on the hardwood floor in front of her home office desk. Never moving off of our knees the entire time.
If either of us tried to adjust our numbing legs, we were yelled at even more relentlessly, so I tried to sit still with head down as much as possible.
“She ranted, yelled, verbally abused both of us and called us all sorts of vulgar names through out the approximate 12 hours. She chanted endlessly swearing off Satan and other evil spirits both in English and Korean…then she’d yell more....and chant more...and yell more. She threw heavy Crystal glassware, paperweights, large metal objects, books and anything else that was heavy and near her...throwing these things at our heads as we ducked and protected ourselves with our hands.
“Glass shards surrounded us and at the end of the class the next morning I was expected to pick up all of the glass shards on my hands and knees that surrounded me.
Through out the night she would look over at me and say, “….and are you going to share this with others?” As if she dared me and possibly feared that I would tell others of her severe disciplinary actions. “Of course not Ma’am”…I would answer. And haven't up until a year ago.
“She then asked us to write down the following things to do as our further discipline.
10 day Fasting – water only for first 7 days, soy milk for next 3 days and then Juk (rice porridge) ceremony to finish off fasting.
“100 rebirths every morning in JSW (rebirth-a formal full bow to the ground)....for at least two weeks...I can't remember exactly how long.
“Daily Journaling of how I felt about what I had done. After the initial 10 day fast, I was on a several month cereal and soy milk only diet. (You are surrounded by other COL members who are doing surveillance on you and reporting to her...so you do as you're told to assure any further discipline and you don't leave to go anywhere without telling at least an instructor). He was my go to person and surveillance person.
“She then put others in COL who she felt needed to lose weight on the same cereal only diet to cover the questions I was receiving as to why I was on a special program. (Special Programs were known to be doled out only as rewards or punishments.)
It was obvious she didn’t want others in COL to know what had happened between the instructor and I even though she put he and I in daily constant contact, working side by side and traveling side by side for years.
“Stripped me of my JSW belt and demoted two belts, to blue belt. She also never tested me for black belt. I was red belt for many, many years...holding out that black belt as a carrot to assure me to stay another year. She also demoted the instructor from 3rd Dan Black Belt to Red Belt, but interestingly he never took off his black belt in class and was never publicly demoted. Once in awhile for show in front of me alone, she'd ridicule him for going to class with his Black Belt...but she never enforced the punishment for him, nor was he required to eat only cereal and soy milk for months.
“I believe she was careful in her punishments towards him that would show in public as she didn't want to break down the male hierarchy she had created and others looked up to.
“And though he's the one that crossed the line and touched me (though I didn't stop him), I was the one that got reprimanded for letting him touch me. Yes, only touched...no intercourse...no kissing...no bj....nothing like that. When I told her that it was my belief that she had set the whole thing up (as I truly did believe that from the circumstances), she yelled at me more....telling me I was a liar and manipulator. Since I've left, I have heard that she refers to the situation as “I f...ed him.” Didn't happen! Didn't see it...didn't touch it.
“There were also times that I had worn clothes (slacks and long sleeved knit top) that a male COL member had journals to her that it made him sexually fantasize. In front of the entire COL class and once in front of the entire JSW class she berated me for how I dressed. Nothing was low cut or short....we're talking long pants, normal work style knit top. She said that when I bowed to her, she could tell I was wearing a push-up bra and in front of the entire JSW class embarrassed me making an example of me. Yes, we were expected to wear heavy makeup like her....but we were not to wear low-cut things or short dresses at all.....as it would create issues amongst our “brothers”. If a man fantasized it was obviously our fault, always. Over a few years I threw out most of my own clothing, which was replaced by tent like dresses and other unflattering clothes she would provide for me. All since gone.
“That's all I can share for now. Those who've been there or are there....know the details...it's not fun...and it's not easy to explain how you got there and why you stay. Professionals will tell you that it's mastery in conditioning. If she's a master of any thing, that's what she's a master of...nothing more. Everyone in there is very intelligent, very talented and very abused. For those still in there, always know we're here for you.”
Kathy said, “This stuff never happened when I was there. That I knew of...there were no COL classes on the subject. She is one bitter sick person. Thank you again for sharing. Know that she is a sicko and you were very unfortunate to be treated like that. God never gives us more than we can handle. I hope you have grown and are now happy. Who knows how long the pain stays. But realize, in your heart you were going for a better tomorrow for everybody. It wasn't for your own satisfaction. She makes you think you are helping the world when in fact it is just helping her meet her own needs. Take care of yourself. Embrace yourself and family. Isn't life wonderful now?”
June 13, 2007
Then Juliana said, “A few things: In regards to FireSpirit - we heard lots of bad mouthing about her brother over the years from Tae Yun. It's very nice to hear that he didn't do the same in return. There was lots of bad blood between them from my knowledge. I was aware of a situation where one of her instructors tried to beat him up for something he had said to his sister.
“I also understand there is another sister that we didn't even know existed. I just learned this recently. Evidently she is yet again into another spiritual journey that I suppose Tae Yun was either embarrassed about or something...she's a yogini or something...who knows. (Gina Kim)? She has so many secrets it's hard to keep track of them all.
“In regards to marriages, there are many, many stories of how Tae Yun instigated the break up of marriages that existed when they started training for “bad energy” reasons. I've heard many, many stories about how people had killed each other in past lives and were now married, how they were evil, witches....and so much more. It is endless the stories she tells about the ex-spouses that are no longer there and quite honestly is very good at fabricating stories that somehow she gets us to believe actually took place. There was a time that she told me over and over so many times that I must have been molested by my father when I was young, that a false memory actually started to imprint. A professional explained to me that the type of conditioning, manipulation and tools she used were very similar to how they kept people in concentration camps...sometimes without even using fences. Separating people from their family, friends and even their own children is just one more tool to control each individual.
Reality said, “What have we to gain by deceiving you, COL? For all COL students reading these boards, yes, all of this happened and much more. Come out of your denial for a few minutes and for God sakes look at the truth. How could all of this be made up by so many ex-students? If you do not believe it then go ahead and talk to the ex-students yourself. We are not talking about a few people here it is the same story from virtually all ex-members. If you believe what we are saying is not true then challenge us on the bulletin board.
“If you feel we are making this all up then go out and talk to us yourself. What have you to lose if we are not telling the truth? Be honest with yourself, if this were concerning any other topic other than COL and Great GM, wouldn’t you want to investigate both sides of the argument.
“If Grandmaster Salton is challenging what people are saying, why does he not go directly to the people who are saying it? Come on Brother’s, Sister’s, what is it that keeps you from considering something other than what your environment dictates? We know some of you are doing it because position and money allow you to disregard the injustice you help to perpetuate. Some of you are doing it because you can not bear to face you have been in error for so long. Some of you have become accustomed to the environment and feel it would be too much of a risk to change.
“You only have one life, however. After your days are spent, money and position will mean little. Isn’t it worth being certain that you are living your life for something that is real and is not doing more ill than good? Don’t you think it is fair for any leader to allow you to question what they have told you when so many people are telling a different story? We are not asking you to deny them, just to try and find the facts for yourself.
“We are on the outside now. We have gone through the same process that you have. In many cases we were your mentors. What do so many of us have to gain by being untruthful to you? We bear you no ill feelings we just want to help you find your own way out. As comfortable as this environment seems now you are not likely to feel fulfilled in life especially as the illusionary bubble burst.
“At this point Great GM and the close followers have no doubt told you not to read this anymore. Shouldn’t you ask yourself why they would be so concerned if this were all lies? The nature of truth is that it can stand up to lies.”.
Then Jacob said, “Glad that never happened to me. I heard about “bad guys class”, what a misinformed way to discipline kids... Explains a lot about you (just kidding). This is how cps went down.. (I may have even posted this before)
“In PE, first period. I am escorted by the discipline principal (who was typically my arch enemy) politely to a locked room. As we walked down the hallway in the office to my room, I noticed chica and one the other kids in other closed rooms, through the small glass windows.
“I was interviewed for about 1 hour about my living conditions. We were asked what kind of food we had, etc. I didn't lie, we had tons of food in the house, as just the week prior they had bought beds and a ton of food, as inside edition and ABC had been snooping around. Officer Willet of Fremont Police (I remember because he was my DARE instructor in elementary), and a CPS social worker met me in the room. They then came home with us after school, we were actually picked up from school for the first time since I had been in COL.
“I mentioned before how even GM's room was looked at, and she complained how she felt invaded... some nerve... She had no clue about being invaded... maybe she does now? he he
“If it wasn't for us, COL may have ended right then and there. If we had told the truth what we had been exposed to, it would have been pulled apart. Unfortunately we were loyal, and we said all of the right things.
“One of the other kids who was in Jr. High at the time was hilarious. He actually turned everything around on them. He's great, it makes me crack up thinking about it. So in summary: We were very defensive of GM. CPS sucked, I ended up leaving about 7 months after that... to live with my dad...Thank god!
“However my mother, as I have detailed to some extent before, was in for another 5 years. Things got a lot more dicey for her after I left... Juliana (my mother) just celebrated her 4th anniversary of being out...Have a good night all.”
“At least we weren't outted for gay porn/chat rooms like one of the part time kids!”
Reality said, “A note to Grandmaster Salton: Greetings form your old friends and fellow students. Yes, some of us have been with you form the beginning. Some of our older members can understand a little more why you have put up with all that you have. Things were so much different in the old days. One could almost convince him/herself that Tae Yun was different then. Perhaps she was in some ways.
“We all experienced energy in the old days and we were a close knit group. We could always assume that Tae Yun being a grandmaster must have a better grasp of it than we did.
“A person must be assessed by their actions, not by what they say. Taking a close look at Tae Yun’s actions over the years does cause even the most devote disciple to wonder about her true potential.
“Either way we feel sorry for you most of all; You, more than anyone else have been though the ringer. In your sober moments it must be clear to you what she is really made of. From Art to Meeks to Spence and on to Adam G., the cycle has repeated it’s self so often it is now predictable. No doubt she is holding you close in her esteem right now when her latest sugar daddy has left her. Don’t worry she is likely to find another when things settle down a little. Why else would she feel so compelled to go under the knife again right after Adam G left?
“I think you know full well she is an opportunist and you always get pushed aside when someone richer or more powerful comes along. You are intelligent, why do you allow yourself to be repeatedly subjected to this. By now you must have serious doubts about her legitimacy. I will just point out that this is not due to us but rather to all you have been through with her. You more than anyone else have had to help cultivate the lie. We all know what that is like, because we were privy to it as well.
“We do not hate you, because we know that you act only out of fear and her influence. It is very sad however. Whatever you feel she has given you from where we stand we have seen her take everything away from you. Your will and your identity and even your dreams; You were forced to marry a woman that you were in no ways attracted to; your dream of having children was robbed from you and in the end she wouldn’t even allow you to care for your dog. Sad, very sad;
“So why do you stay with her? Do you feel that you have invested so much of your life now that it is not worth backing out? Are you waiting around for her to die so that you can take over? I think you will be surprised at how she lays out her inheritance. Either way, even if you do become the successor what you inherit will be fraught with problems. Her legacy is quickly coming back to haunt her from generations past. No amount of money in the world will be able to fix this.
“It is likely that her personal vendettas will continue to drain the resources of the organization and irreparably damage its reputation. Will you abandon her after her death?
It seems the only way to salvage anything out of this.
“Sorry for speaking our minds so plainly. We are fully aware that the guilt you will have in reading this will compel you to share it with her so you can reaffirm your loyalty. Please Scott, we urge you to stand up for yourself before the last hopes of your life have gone. With the stress she is putting you through now, who knows if you will even be around to succeed her. We say this out of loving concern for you. Take some time and look at your life. You have worked hard and long. In the end what is it you want to leave behind?”
Then firespirit said, “The transition was so gradual that we could never even see COL for what it was at the time. It should be clear from reading some of the post that affronts to our most basic human rights were so commonplace and that we grew to accept them and to not even notice them.”
A person posting as Her Lesson said, “Hello All, My heart goes out to everyone who was involved in anyway with Tae Yun. I know some of you through LWS. I know first hand the damaging influence Tae Yun can have on any relationship. I have been reading BS for quite some time but did not have your courage to sign on.
“From the day I met Tae Yun, I told her she did not walk her talk and felt LWS was a cult. From that moment on she was determined to ruin my marriage as she does with everyone who is married. The only good from knowing this evil person is I have gained some good friends.”
Her Lesson said, “Thank you for your welcome. Since I was not part of COL and your experiences were so much more painful, I felt I did not have much to contribute. Then I realized the pain I felt is almost like Chica when her mother chose Tae Yun over her.
“What I wanted to share, was the pain Tae Yun causes the family, friends, etc., who love the person that is involved with her. COL members, please listen to someone who was on the other end. Your loved ones feel not valued, not important in your lives, NOT loved. The awful feeling of knowing that this unworthy person, who is taking advantage of you, not supporting you in your dreams or financially, is more important then they are.
“Please take a second or third look and see the value of your lives and what you giving up to a selfish, self-centered person. She told me she was the second coming. The first coming, gave up his life for his followers. You are giving up your life for her. I know you are reading this and have been told the legal group is looking into this site. Everything I have to say is the truth and I am not afraid of the truth.
“Kathy, Tae Yun told me I was going to be her lesson, she said she saw it in my stars. I truly hope so. It could be because I refused to call her Grandmaster, etc., etc. I told her she was not my Grandmaster or anything else to me.”
Reality said, “This is a note to COL members who may be reading this. We did not receive a response to our last post so here is a thought experiment for you. If almost all the people who leave COL turned bad virtually overnight, what was it that happened to them to make them this way?
“Where they already bad when they arrived? If so why did this not come up in the 10+ years that many of them trained and taught? If they became bad as a result of their COL training then what does this say about the teaching?
“Also if we look at COL history in the case of virtually every person who has left COL Great Grandmaster Kim says that they have become corrupted and bad people. Perhaps it was the outside world that has corrupted them.
“But, if the outside world can corrupt almost every person that comes out of 10+ years in the COL environment, what is it that they really learnt at COL, what is it they truly have gained?
“Making any change in your life takes courage. You’re most likely to leave however leave at some point in the future and then you will have to put your life back together. It is not as hard as you may think and there will be many people around who will help you.”
Kathy said, “Just like in everyday life, not everyone in the cult liked each other, because everyone came from a different walk in life, had different points of view, etc. But our goals became whatever she wanted. Whatever made her happy. Some you started out liking, some you became very close to. She would nip that in the bud. She pitted one another against each other. She did it without you knowing. What she is a master at is controlling people. I know there were several that didn't like me. I was too bossy. I was the one that always had to ask for the money for her. Everyone wanted my place in line. I wish someone would of taken my place, that way maybe I would of left sooner. But what I should have would have or could have done is past. I just pray that everyone will soon realize what she is really about and not believe her lies.”
Then Juliana said, “It's Never One thing... In regards to your question of what made me finally wake up and get out...it's never just one thing. It was a long string of things of which I've outlined below. One final motivating life event that weighed heavily on me, was that my son was having his first child; my grandson was coming into the world in 2003 and Tae Yun was telling me that he was an evil force that would keep me away from living my life's purpose. Through all the things that happened below that were mostly family related, I realized that I had to make a choice....either I was going to live not knowing my grandchildren and have to leave, or I could continue to work HARD for her to achieve what she wanted. I begged her not to make me choose between my family and her...and at one point when she knew I was on the edge of leaving, in private she said to me, “I am so sorry I ever made you feel that way...I would never do that to you.” She is quite the actress...trust me. It's hard to know where Reality begins and ends when you're around her. The recollections I wrote a year ago are long, so I'm going to break them up to hopefully step you through about a year and a half of situations and trying to leave several times.
“Part 1 - mid 2002 (4 months after the sexually oriented event that I was disciplined for) First time I attempted to leave. My son called me near 11 at night, while driving back home from a trip to N. California, I told him since he was near my work he should drop by for a few minutes to say Hi, they had recently found out that my daughter-in-law was pregnant and I hadn’t been allowed to see them since the wedding earlier in the year. When he arrived, I paged the instructor I always reported to and let him know that I’d be leaving CDS (one of her companies I worked for at the time) for 20 minutes to have some tea with my son at the nearby Asian shopping center. Before I arrived at the shopping center, located 3 blocks away, Tae Yun called me and hysterically yelled and swore at me over the phone. I hadn’t received her permission to leave, accused me of sneaking out and lying.
“My daughter-in-law and son were in my car and Tae Yun asked me to step out of the car after about 15 minutes of phone disciplining. I was overwhelmed and traumatized as I didn’t want my new daughter-in-law to experience this. I asked Tae Yun to just let me come back to the office where she could continue to talk to me, but she refused to let me hang up and continued to yell, swear, berate and demean me as I stood in the dark parking lot about 50 feet from my car. I continued to beg her to let me come back and finally after an hour of this, she let me hang up. I drove back and told my son not to worry and that I would go home to the house all the women lived in, pack a few clothes and drive down to his home as he begged me to, so that I had time to sort through everything that was happening. I dropped them off at their car in CDS parking lot and drove to the home I lived at. I received a COL page, notifying everyone to gather in JSW (the MA studio). I didn’t answer it and continued to pack.
“Then I received a phone call from the instructor. I didn’t answer it, but he continued to call. I answered and he told me in an unusually gentle voice that Tae Yun wanted me to come to JSW with everyone for class. I told him I couldn’t and that I was leaving. After questioning me for awhile he handed the phone to Tae Yun and she continued to persuade me to come back and just talk for a few moments before I left. I stopped packing and drove back to JSW and sat behind everyone else on the dojang floor with tears flowing non-stop. She explained to everyone in COL that something had happened and that I had decided to leave. After talking with everyone for about 15 minutes, she asked everyone to leave.
“As I started walking out of JSW, she called me up to the stage and then asked for just a few moments of my time in her private office. I agreed. This lasted until 7am the next morning. She held me in her arms, kissed me, stroked me and profusely apologized over and over and over, promising me that this type of behavior wouldn’t continue. She promised me that I’d test soon for my black belt and much more. And I told her that I didn’t feel it was fair that I had to choose between her and my son. She apologized again and again and promised that it wouldn’t continue.
“My phone continued to ring through out the night and I begged her to let me answer it as I knew it was my son. Near 3 am, she allowed me to answer the phone and I told my son, that I would talk to him tomorrow morning. “She’s doing it again, Mom. You can’t listen to her promises.” He knew what she was doing without even being there. Her behavior had become very predictable over the years. I continued to stay until the next event in November.
“Part 2 to come soon...I know that when others who haven't been inside read this, they laugh and say how weak we must be. That is one of the reasons you keep so silent after these things happen...it's embarrassing even to myself that somehow this woman had such power over me, my family and so many other people. Trust me, if you met me on the street I'd be one of the last people you'd guess could be involved in something like this. Look next to you I could be the woman walking down the street that caught your gaze, or your manager in the workplace...you'd be very surprised. I've always been a very strong, intelligent, focused person who had some very traumatic personal situations happen including a young brother die, that lead me to a vulnerable place that she could take advantage of. Everyone within COL has their story that led them to be vulnerable to her. Do not judge until you've lived in someone's shoes.
“To my son, thank you for loving me so much and being so much wiser than your years to be able to help pull me out of this. As I've told you eye to eye, there are not enough sorriest to make up for the years that I took away from your innocence and childhood. I just pray that Tae Yun stops doing it to others.”
Then Juliana said, “Part 2 is still to come......but for now I thought I'd also list several other things. Protocols, Conditioning and other issues that are part of COL life. Photos of any family or friends were not allowed in living quarters, cars or office space. Only photos of Tae Yun
“Hugging of my son was strongly discouraged and was a common topic of COL classes in the first 6 months I was there. She also separated my son and I by giving me a position within her computer company that had me traveling 3 out of 4 weeks. This allowed her to gain control over each individual. When he left, she changed my position and I worked from the office, hardly traveling again.
“Not allowed to contact friends by phone, in person or in writing. If I did, I had to do it secretively.
“Sex was forbidden unless someday Tae Yun gave her blessing to a set up relationship within the COL group. Oral Sex and Kissing were strictly forbidden even within those relationships, yet she would ask some of the set up couples to kiss in public on cue to prove that they loved and cared about each other.
“People were used as examples: Example: Adam G & HC and later Adam G & AP engaged in oral sex and lengthy, all night classes were given using them as illustration of what behavior is inappropriate. If anything of a sexual encounter did happen between two people, it was expected that you confess to Tae Yun immediately.
“Weight was always an issue – girls could never be thin enough. Constant eating and fasting programs to assure that we were thin.
“She constantly talked about how others accused her of medical procedures to keep her young and how they were jealous of her. She claimed to not have any cosmetic surgery. Her beauty, youthfulness and slender figure were all due to her strong, pure energy and we were all to strive to be like her using our energy and connecting to only her. I now know that she's had lipo, lots of facial surgery and breast augmentation a couple of times.
“The spoke wheel. Tae Yun is the center hub, we’re all the spokes and we are not supposed to connect to the next spoke but rather only to the hub, the source. Friendships within COL were not allowed
“Right foot over thresholds of any building every time we walked into a building we were supposed to put our right foot over the threshold...never touching the threshold.
“Travel/Communication protocols – must call in before we get on plane and again when we get off the plane and through out the trip.
“2 hands hand shake always shaking hands with 2 hands.
“Holding hands –palm to palm – special way of linking fingers so that “energy” connects when you're holding hands with Tae Yun.
“Sir/Ma’am and calling by last names only in any communication.
“Strict seniority protocol was adhered to in all situations from movie seating, COL classes, in the car....everywhere. And men ALWAYS before women.
“Always said she only needed 12 people in the end to carry on her teachings – just like the 12 disciples.
“Sleep Deprivation in many different ways; work, classes, the honor of her calling us in the middle of the night to tell us about a dream she had about us or a myriad of other things.
“Reading – only allowed to read Tae Yun books or Bible.
No Television. The only TV I saw in those years was at her home, under her watchful eye or sometimes Occasionally I'd turn on the TV in my hotel room while traveling, but always at great guilt that someone might find out, so I rarely did it.
Stargazer -- her home where the President and Vice President's of her computer lived with her among with other senior instructors was considered an honor to spend time at or be able to stay at for awhile. It was also considered a HUGE honor for the women to clean her room. Only a few were allowed.
“Photos of Tae Yun were expected in your wallet
“Candles/Bible/Tae Yun photo will traveling in order to stay connected and for meditation. (some of us traveled a lot due to the running of her businesses).
“Myaeng Sae (Promise or Pledge) – asked to write a Myaeng Sae and keep it with us at all times and in our rooms at all times.
“Journaling – we were supposed to share all of our intimate thoughts to gain confidence and trust and then she’d use it against us. When I shared that most of my past sexual experience had been positive and I liked sex…she started labeling me as a “sex addict”.
“The word, “interesting” was considered a negative word.
“To create the feeling of vulnerability and control, she would threaten to kick people out of COL and when they came groveling back she would take them back in again when they learned their lesson and clearly who was in control. She says you can leave at anytime, but it’s not true.
“I'm sure I've missed some of the things that she used to condition us. At the time I didn't understand that these were tools for conditioning, instead they were tools to “stay connected” to our purpose and Tae Yun. To make every moment constructive and not wasteful. For those who are speculative, do your research and you'll understand how people can be conditioned. On a different level we are conditioned every day by television, politicians...etc.
Then Juliana said, “PART 2 - second event leading to my leaving Tae Yun, PART 2 - second event leading to my leaving Tae Yun
“September 2002-January 2003 Near Aug/Sept 02 Tae Yun moved me into Stargazer for several weeks, I'm sure it was her attempt to keep me closer and have more control over me and further re-condition me after my almost leaving. She called it a “Special Program”, where she spent more one-on-one time (private classes) with me talking and preparing me for how my son and daughter-in-law would hate me and that my son had the potential to become enraged and kill me. She saw this in her visions and was very “fearful” for me.
“I lived there from late August through Early October. A few days before Thanksgiving, her patters continued, nothing really did change and I told her that this time, I really did have to leave. Finally she allowed me to leave, with the precondition that I would go only to help them out on a short term basis and that I would return to my same position at CDS (Can Do Spirit, one of her companies) and training with her. I asked her for 6 months to help them prepare for the baby and help them find a home they could afford as the one they were in was in very poor living condition and they were having legal issues with the landlord. I told her I was concerned for their safety and needed to leave so that I could help them.
“Tae Yun said that because of energy I had to return within 3 months. I had told my son, that I was leaving for good, but secretly had made this promise to her that I’d return. Emotionally I believed I was leaving for good, but through out October and November she spent days and nights keeping me up through out the night, having to return to work in the morning, preparing for everything that my son and daughter-in-law would do to me. She told me that she could tell by the photo she saw of my daughter-in-law that she was evil and that the child she was carrying (my grandson) was of the same evil energy and designed by Satan to pull me away from my purpose.
“Day after day, I waited for her to give me permission to leave, as she kept saying that the date wasn’t good and that I couldn’t only leave when the timing was right. She gave me a large COL sendoff party in Stargazer, prepared gifts of clothes and jewelry, gave me a check of approximately $2300 which was for back pay that they hadn’t given me during a period of time I wasn’t paid, but she told me it was a bonus and gift for my mission and journey. She also had HC prepare a booklet of goodbye letters from everyone, so that I could stay connected and know how important I was to everyone.
“Because she was so concerned for my safety, she begged me to stay connected by journaling to her every day and phoning in. If she wasn’t available I was still supposed to report into two instructors. She sent an instructor with me with his SUV full of my clothes and few belongings to their house. He then invited himself to spend the day with the three of us, finding a new apartment in the area. He drove us around all day until we found that two he gave his stamp of approval on (he privately told me that he felt those were the two the Tae Yun would have energy approved). He went back to SG.
“10 days before Christmas I was having arguments with my son, as he started to realize that Tae Yun and the instructor were contacting me through text messages and e-mail and I was also returning calls and e-mails. He was very disappointed in me and as the yelling matches escalated I started to believe everything that Tae Yun had planted in my mind. After one of these yelling matches, I called Tae Yun and told her I had to come back and that maybe she was right (I had only been gone 3 weeks).
“She told me that the instructor would come and help me move out. He arrived when neither my son nor daughter-in-law were home and moved my few belongings into his SUV. As we drove away from the apartment, he continued to contact Tae Yun and took me to a nearby shopping mall to drop off my car. He asked me to hide my cars amidst the other parked cars and that the energy wasn’t right to return according to Tae Yun, so we proceeded to spend the rest of the day having breakfast, lunch and dinner at restaurants in a date-like atmosphere as he held my hand through out the day, driving in his car.
“We drove from the length of the Central coast, stopping at beaches, walking in the thundering storm and rain; it had been the worst storm we had seen yet in the season. We stopped on a cliff and became completely drenched as he walked me through muddy fields to the very windy edge of a 100 ft. bluff overlooking the dangerous, pounding waves below; ignoring all weather advisories of staying away from cliffs due to the nature of the waves. It was almost as if he was trying to purposefully scare me and completely drain me. I had recently come down with a bronchitis type of illness and by the end of the day of getting completely soaked I was completely sick and drained.
“After sunset, he finally got approval from Tae Yun to drive back to her home. I was greeted at the women's COL home by Tae Yun and all of COL. She went through a blessing and informal welcoming ceremony. She then asked everyone, one by one, to tell me how they felt to see me back and discuss how I looked. I heard everything from my energy looked very bad, I looked old, I looked like my daughter-in-law, I had obviously disconnected and more. When in actuality I was very sick, soaking wet, completely drained and very stressed by all of the events. Before I had left my son’s home, I had made Christmas cookies with my daughter-in-law per her request to do that together. I brought some back with me for the COL group. Tae Yun immediately instructed someone to throw them all away.
“Then COL was dismissed and she escorted me to my own private room in the home where I had no room mate for the first time ever. They had redecorated it in BRIGHT oranges, purples, yellows and blues. The room also had a water fountain running, Tae Yun music playing and photos of Tae Yun all over the wall. Then GM instructed me that I wasn’t to leave this room, other than to go to the bathroom or get water to drink and that I was to talk to no one (Silent Program). I wasn’t to answer my cell phone and have no communication with anyone except for Tae Yun.
“I could call Tae Yun at anytime and Sarah K. and EAS would come each day and video and photograph my process. I was not allowed to see a doctor the entire time for my bronchitis/pneumonia. After several days, EAS did bring me some OTC cough medicine, but nothing else. I was told to do 100 rebirths every day and night, read her Silent Master book and the Bible and write down my thoughts. Journal every day through out the day and write about the whole experience. If I needed anything else, I was supposed to page EAS with a special code on her pager. Broth and later soup was delivered to me every day and that is all I was suppose to eat except for water.
“My phone continued to ring every day and v/mails were left, but I wasn’t allowed to retrieve them and I knew that my son and parents were trying to reach me by the Phone IDs that I could see. After about a week, I begged Tae Yun to allow me to call both my parents and son to arrange Christmas Eve plans with them and just let them know that I was ok. She told me that she didn’t want me to go over there for Christmas, that it wouldn’t be good for me. But finally she allowed me to call them and make arrangements to go over my parent’s home for Christmas Eve and call my son to assure him I was ok. She gave me very explicit instructions of what I couldn’t do when I went there. I could only stay a few hours. I couldn’t hug anyone or eat anything. I explained my behavior to my family, telling them that I had been very sick and that I didn’t want to get anyone else sick. It was very unlike me to be physically distant with them.
“When I returned to the COL home, I checked in with Tae Yun as I was supposed to, she continued me on this same program until approximately January 10th, when she ceremoniously gave me my job back. Though I wasn’t given a paycheck for more than a month. I promised Tae Yun I was back for good and that I couldn’t go through this again and that I had learned my lesson.
“January 11, 2003 – my son called me late in the afternoon to let me know that their son, (my grandson) was born. I called Tae Yun to get permission to drive to see the baby. She allowed me to go only with the instructor as an escort. No one in my family except for my son had ever met him, so it was a very awkward situation to suddenly appear as if I had a boyfriend or something. I was instructed that I could not touch or hold the baby. My son recognized my awkward behavior stemming from Tae Yun and ignored it. Our visit was very short. I never saw my grandson again until I moved out in late March, once and for good....(Part 3 to share that last leg of my journey out of COL).
“Tae Yun can deny and deny that she interferes with her student's family lives, but you judge for yourself. None of this is made up...I wish it was.
“The only reason I'm sharing these experiences is for the awareness of others and to substantiate what others have wondered about and to hopefully thwart any of this repeating itself in the future.”
Then Juliana said, “Also, for those of you who haven't lived through this COL experience...
“You have to understand that one of the difficulties in leaving is that you have nothing. I literally had only my clothes, a car that I owed on and a few minor personal items to my name. Everything I owned at that time was loaded in an SUV...that's how little I had to start my life over with. Our pay was quite a bit below market and our family ties are so poor that it makes it very, very difficult to imagine leaving.
“There are many things that tie into the difficulty in leaving, emotionally, physically and financially. My son literally gave me a home for several months until I got on my feet when I finally was able to make the break. Just for a moment, imagine being in your 40's, not owning a bed, silverware, plates, TV, books, computer, dishes....I mean nothing to my name. I literally was a homeless person. I didn't even have a prospect for a job as I couldn't have possibly made those phone calls or interviews under the watchful eyes.
“For those still in COL...know that there are many out here who have lived through this...we can help you....there are many of us here who can help you and whether you think so or not...your family will be there when you need them.
June 21, 2007
Then Juliana said, “Part 3 - the last straw, Ok...here's the last leg of my journey away from Tae Yun when I was finally able to leave. Part 3 - The last Straw
“Late March 2003 – at CDS (her skincare company) Working on a Saturday on an education video for CDS. Tae Yun had approved the usage of my mother as one of the people we would use for treatment during the education/training video. Three COL members were present (2 were instructors) as well as my mother. Throughout the hours of video taping and photo shooting, Tae Yun would come in and out of her JSW office boasting how she was dealing with international business problems as she came and went. One of the instructors left at one point to run an errand for Tae Yun. It was something I was supposed to do, but couldn't leave the shooting, so he left to run the errand during the filming.
“After he left, Tae Yun came back to CDS (Can Do Spirit) and asked me if Before and After photos had been taken? I looked at the two COL people who were taking the photographs and video, hoping they would answer the question...but both were silent. Tae Yun then proceeded to verbally whip me, berate, scold and demean me in front of my mother for approximately 30 minutes for not having made sure the photos were taken. The verbal abuse felt like it was endless. I sat quiet with my mother in front of me as I fought tears welling up in my eyes. I didn’t want my mother to see that this was affecting me at all. Over and over again, I was told, “how stupid I was”…”that we couldn’t do anything right without her standing right by our sides”….”I was useless”….etc. I read shock in my mother’s face and as she got up from the table to finally leave she looked at me and whispered that she wanted to see me tomorrow for dinner. I walked her out to her car and I assured her that everything was ok and I promised that I would come by for dinner tomorrow.
“Up to this point my parents had never come around the dojang or my work place other than one testing within the first year I was there. My mother went home and told my father everything.
“When the instructor returned from the errand, he took Tae Yun home and then he returned to CDS in the evening. When he arrived back I was somber and didn’t want to speak. I’m sure he saw anger, shock and disappointment in my eyes and he started questioning me as to what was wrong. I told him it didn’t matter and that if I told him he wouldn’t believe me anyway. He walked me to a nearby restaurant to eat dinner and pleaded with me to talk. With strong conviction in my voice, I told him that he should ask Tae Yun what happened as she knew exactly what she did. We walked back to CDS and I left for home much earlier than normal (near 9pm). I went straight to my room in the COL home to think through what I was going to say to my parents and how I was going to explain away this. How do I explain why my boss thought it was appropriate to yell at me with the intensity she did....and why was I putting up with it?
“Tae Yun suddenly entered the women's COL home and yelled out my name, demanding that I come downstairs and talk to her. She sat in the living room with her personal doctor kneeled to one side of her and the instructor that I again reported and talked to on the other side. She asked me if anyone else was in the house. I answered no. I sat kneeled before her, looking down. I didn’t want to talk to her or look at her and my actions became very defiant towards her for the first time. She started yelling at me, saying that she had heard through the instructor that I felt that she had done something inappropriate when my mother was there. I went through the events as I experienced them, knowing that she would deny everything. And she did. She then continued to tell me I was a liar, a manipulator and more. At one point the COL person (CW) who had been taking photographs walked in the front door and Tae Yun addressed her and asked her if she believed that she had endlessly, verbally disciplined me in front of my mother. CW started to agree that she had, but Tae Yun interrupted her booming back, whether she really believed that. Suddenly CW back pedaled and down played it and said that actually we were all being disciplined and that it wasn’t anything out of the norm.
“I told Tae Yun that because of her actions, it had instigated my mother and father wanting to meet with me tomorrow and that my father had been told what transpired and that he was very angry and threatened to call the police and have them escort me out of here….so it was better if I just meet with them to settle the situation down.
“The next evening, I met with my parents for dinner. It was the first time that I met with them uninterrupted by COL phone calls and pages requesting my presence. This was the first time I started openly discussing what was really going on, the control Tae Yun had in my life and that this was the end, but that I may need their emotional and physical help as I had absolutely nothing to move forward with and Tae Yun purposely designed it that way. My parents gave me their full support and told me that if I didn’t stay in constant contact with them and actually leave they would be taking legal action.
“I went back to Tae Yun and told her that I had to leave. This was the end. No more good bye parties, no more sleepless nights talking, no more gifts….no more anything. I told her I was leaving the next day. She said again that she wanted the instructor to help me pack and use his car. I said no, that I was doing it on my own and that I would rent a van. It took me a couple of days to make plans with my son to move down with him and get the van packed and then I left.....this time for good.
“Before I left Tae Yun requested that I come up and say goodbye before I left. The instructor was the only other person present. She briefly talked to me and then went back to her bedroom and came back with a full length faux fur coat as another gift. She then asked the instructor to give me a final hug and goodbye and then sent him to his bedroom. She continued to talk with me for a little while at her front door and then as I walked out across the circular driveway, she started to hysterically cry and wale. I didn’t turn back, I just got into my car and called the instructor to go downstairs and pull Tae Yun back inside. That was finally the end. I'm by far not the only person who has stories to share that are similar and in some cases I know even far greater in disciplinary actions than this. So I think it's time for others to help in making others aware of the reality that still exists.”
Reality said, “Hello COL brothers and sisters. We know that this is not an easy time for you. How do you feel reading these posts? - and it is at this point that the switches in your brain turn over to filter mode. ‘We are the enemy. We must be we are no longer in COL.’
“Odd isn’t it that we could be moved so quickly from honored family to hated enemy. And why do we keep writing you. ‘Surely we must be trying to deceive you.’ But then what on God’s earth would we have to gain by doing that?
“We have shared a special bond with you and we feel responsible to you and all the other people who continue to be drawn into that organization. But for you, we know it is very hard to see it this way. We understand. It took most of us several years to let go of the strong grip of Tae Yun and see her for what she really is.
“Keep your eyes open however. Even in the contrived environment of COL there are cracks in the plaster, blemishes in the make up. It can not be avoided because it is created by a woman who is basically flawed. We know how hard it is to accept the truth in what we are saying, but in your heart most of you suspect or know it to be true.
“She lies to us so much, that over time the logic does not even fit together.
“You know as we do that Reality is frequently rewritten from year to year and generation to generation. Just look back over the years for a few moments and remember if you can how even the most elemental of her stories have been slowly embellished and modified to suite her self aggrandizement.
“Remember back to the COL dramas that were played out and we are sure that several will come up where you observed her altering certain key facts when she recounted them. After all she was trying to teach you a ‘Lesson’. If you pay attention you may even have observed her alter the accepted history of things by making it so uncomfortable for someone if they disagreed with her.
“‘This is how she teaches us.’ Yes perhaps some teachers may need to manipulate the student in order for them to learn. However, I guess it all comes down to the objective of the teacher. What is her objective? The objective of a good teacher needs to always be the clarity and welfare of the student. How does making money and building an empire fit into this?
“We commend you for you perseverance and commitment to training. At heart you must be committed to spiritual development and helping other. Have you ever wondered that perhaps you are on the correct pursuit but just have fallen in with the wrong person?”
Her Lesson said, “My thought on why she treated women as second class citizens is because she is jealous of them. When I met her, as well as some of the COL (LWS employees), I could not understand why all these lovely, attractive women were so attentive to an elderly, overly-made up woman. When I asked her why her “employees” were catering to her, her response was that they adored her and they are indebted to her. They were all abused and she took them in and cared for them. Seems to me, they were taking care of her. I could not image what the debt was, as all of them worked from dawn to dusk and sometimes till dawn again.
“The women who I have met at LWS are heads above in beauty and intelligence of the average person. Yet, remove her makeup, wig, breast implants and facelifts, you have a below average person, that is why she finds fault with the women. You know the saying “she steps on people to make herself bigger”. Take a good look at yourselves and see the real beauty, not only on the outside but the inside as well. Which she will never achieve. How sad for her.”
Then Juliana said, “I can vouch that this was a constant common theme through out our “training”....giving up control of our children to prove our trust and commitment, giving up sex, giving up material objects....you name it....”Do you Trust Me? “ was a constant thing she said to us. This was definitely an extreme situation, but I know for a fact that many extreme things were done behind closed doors. And to further prove our loyalty to Tae Yun, our training, our purpose we were strongly conditioned to nevfer say anything about it.
“Just like a child who is molested when they are young, they can only suppress the memories so long. It's just a matter of time Tae Yun before others speak up in order to heal the deep wounds you have afflicted to so many people over the decades.
“If you truly were a “Citizen of the Universe” as you say you are, Tae Yun, and believe in Christ and God as you say you do.....it's time to repent and tell the truth....God knows the truth, just as you do and just as we do.
“Sure there was good....I have lots of great memories of my training with you and there was a time I believed you actually cared about my well-being, but as time goes on and we prove our commitment and loyalty to you over and over, something happens and you become more and more abusive.”
Kathy said, “How can the instructors stand by and let this happen? I know she is at fault for doing it. I guess it just shows her deranged mind. I never knew of this happening when I was there. Course like everyone knows, no one knows all that happens. What type of man stands by and watches her do something like this? Fully brain washed I would say. I'm sorry that they think so little of themselves to see men put through this. What did they do? Get caught watching a bad movie? Or heaven forbid, masturbating? Like she was being the virgin Mary. She wanted to keep the sex just for herself. Doesn't she know that two people coming together and making love isn't something that is bad? She makes it sound like filth. She is the one that that needs help. How would she like this to be done to her. Who knows, maybe she did and that is why she repeats it. Maybe some one put her flat head in the toilet. Maybe that is why it is so flat in the back. I'm sorry for the slamming....I'm just angry that she got away with doing this to a human being.
Kathy said, “As far as I am concerned I believe. Plus there is more than one person that it happened to. The only testing of people that I saw was when she kicked LG out and JW out and they had to stay outside of the building and watch everyone train through the window. I believe they were demoted all the way back to white belt. They had to do this for sometime also. Michael Meeks was a black belt and was taken down to a white belt then up to a blue belt. She must of never “loved” me as I don't remember being put on special programs..... I think she was a little more sane at the time maybe. She never had a normal childhood, plus she never had any kids, so how can she give childrearing advise? She told me my mom gave me up and left me because she didn't know any better. She was only 15 when she got married, so she only worked with what she had. Not having a families love made me reach out to Tae Yun even more. But I had enough honor in myself to leave when she did what I could not abide.
“False love is worth nothing. You in col, if she could turn her back on your seniors, what makes you think she can't do that to you? Find real love before you are too old to enjoy it. See your family before they are gone and not there to share with you. She is sucking you dry. She will take and take and take some more. What are you truly getting out of it? You are going to see things that are truth, there is no way to turn around real legal documents. Let her explain that. Remember why I left? Remember the story you were told? Remember when you all came after me? Threatened me? Tapped my phones, damaged my vehicle? The rest too. Not a word has been a lie. I hope you will finally see that. Or at least put that doubt in your mind. Beware of false prophets....”
About the Spencer Eccles deal…
Kathy said, “Yes Yeoman, (about Spencer Eccles) she tried to tell everyone it was my fault and his parents that they broke up. As it turns out, it was her. But I am at fault as I was a witness to that wedding. It was tragic. Actually he left her in January when he found out the truth from his parents, then he confirmed the details. There is even more to the story than words there say. It gets even darker.
“This is why she says I betrayed her. Which I did. I did not want to be party to what she was doing, what she had planned. I had to live with myself. It was up to him if he wanted to stay with her after he found out the truth...He cut it short right there and then. He left without looking back. Too bad we weren't all as smart as that. But he hadn't been with her very long either. He came from a healthy background, and had high moral values.”
Then Jacob or Jacob said, “I left on good terms. I went back almost weekly to visit my mom for years... it wasn't until 2002 when kim started verbally abusing my mother in front of me that I never said a single bad thing about kim...
“My mom would have never been “placed” with Mark, if it wasn't for the fact that he was such a jerk when I was a kid, and we despised each other. There was no other purpose of that relationship than to drive the divide between my mother and I once I left. In all of COL, at least to me, he was the only “mean” person. He actually told me at ages 12 and 13 that I wouldn't amount to anything.. he obviously cited reasons and didn't just say it... But I am trying to drive home the fact that he didn’t like me, and then in placed in a “secret” relationship with my mother. the term douche bag comes to mind. I know the lies she told/tells about me, can't compare to the reality of her life.”
JSW Student outs Ann Shatting, a Lighthouse ex employee. Her name on BS web site is Her Lesson. “Her Lesson, I heard that your name is Ann Shatting...Who the heck are you? What is your problem? You talk like you are some expert, but the truth is, you don't know anyone or anything ...When was the last time you had a real conversation with Grandmaster Kim? When was the last time you had any conversation with Grandmaster Kim or with anyone who is currently training at Jung Suwon?
“Who are you anyway? Why are you posting on a martial arts forum? You’ve never trained at Jung Suwon…have you trained at any martial art for that matter?….You’ve never been to a Jung Suwon class…or a testing…or anything. Where is your expertise? Why are you here?
“I feel like you just like to be vulgar and puke all over the internet…but your vomit is based on what fact? What information or experience with Grandmaster Kim or with Jung Suwon do you have that you can state unequivocally? What facts do you have about anything?”
Her Lesson said, “Message to Tae Yun or whatever name you are using presently: I had a dream about you. I dreamt that for each hurt, pain, evil you have caused others or every illegal action, or dime you took from someone, for every dream crushed, financially, career wise or emotionally, your heart got smaller and smaller. And you know what happened, your heart just disappeared to nothing. And, without a heart, no matter how many followers, lie, steal or cheat or marry someone they don't love for you, you disappear because a body cannot live without a heart.”
Ryanbeld said, “Yes I did smoke pot in col.. the ‘f’ else was I supposed to get away mentally. I take it back, I never smoked pot in col, I smoked it before I pulled up to COL so I could get through another friggin night. I gave credit where credit is due. I’ve said good things about her. but you want to know why I was getting bad grades in school? try balancing school with JSW class then COL class.. blah blah
“I tried to be nice but now I don’t care.. really I don’t. no one there can answer my questions. I was told that if I had any questions I should ask.. so I did and nothing came of it. I know the truth and that’s all I care about. “its my life, its now or never, I aint going to live forever” ha ha yeah I just quoted bon Jove.. I know its gay. so go ahead COL.. ignore me. I actually genuinely like the people there, but if they can not debate like a real person and they want to go after my family then all attempts at trying to be nice are off. I say good things but you cant build off it.. we ask questions but you have no answer for them, we tell our experiences but you try to break down the person telling them. way to go.. good job working yourself into a corner. lets see if you can get yourself out of it now.
“I must thank you though, you've given me more than enough material to write a book about.. and good news, I can back up with documents everything I say. and no don’t try to pin this all on me. you did this to yourself. you aren’t willing to fact check or engage in discussion. you apparently aren’t even willing to acknowledge me. probably because you have no dirt on me.. or if you do I can directly relate it back to COL.
“I was open for logical discussion but now all I’m interested in is telling my story, and none of you can deny anything because I know what I witnessed and heard. Just know that I will talk to anyone regardless if you are still in COL or not. I will never break off communication because of what is being said about Tae Yun. I was told certain things were her personal business so her legal issues with Adam G. are her personal business.
“If you want to base your relationship with me on Tae Yun then we have no relationship. sorry but its the truth. my relationship with anyone is between me and that person.
“I want to play devils advocate again, Tae Yun is at the very least a third degree black belt. she tested for it on may 30th, 1975 in jersey. It was given by hwang kee (founder of tang soo do)
“I’ve heard she was given the rank of 10th degree by C.S. Kim. I can't dispute that as he is one of the original founders of Tang soo do, who actually taught at the Osan airbase in the late 60's.
“Apparently at that rank you don’t have to test for it anymore, it is awarded to you. I wont try to dispute her rank because I don’t really care. that has nothing to do with COL.
All I know is that at my next new years party I don’t plan on getting cleansed by salt water and spit.”
Shadow Dancer said, “Great work Ryan! Are you saying she trained for 1 year at the airbase, then tested for her BB, and was then awarded a 10th degree rank?” Yes, that is what he said!
Kathy Kim said, “Meeks was still around when I left. Not that close, as Scott changed the locks on COL 1 so he couldn't get in. I don't think he was too happy when she married. She took him for a lot. But he still was coming to the house once in a while having meals. Meeks built all of ATC when it first opened.
“I remember Scott having me go to Jon Minnis, the owner of the property JSW rented in Milpitas, telling me to tell him that we were sorry but couldn't make all the monthly rent. I was to say all the good things that Tae Yun did for people and to please be patient for his payment. He was always invited to the Christmas party to let him see all the good Tae Yun did.
I Had No Idea said, “You know, I can see why other people think some of this stuff is made up...Tae Yun has become so narcissistic that her actions seem implausible to other people. She is the real deal folks...and these postings are real.
“I think I remember the meeting that Her Lesson mentioned a few pages back. I heard about it the following Monday after it occurred...if memory serves me correctly. You know there are so many instances like that...where a relatively simple event would turn into a marathon that bordered on the ridiculous. I can think of times the LWS people would go through the stupidest hoops for Tae Yun's arrival...and she would only come in to the business for a few minutes. Now I know why...she doesn't know what LWS actually does, and she only is interested in how much it supplies her with money. I could always see her pulling strings of her COL people but I assumed they obeyed out of an interest of wealth...some promised reward of great wealth. I couldn't see that her COL people were in a “battered woman” syndrome/Stockholm type of situation. It was fear that kept them at her bidding.
“You know every member of COL I knew always looked malnourished and incredibly tired. They all seemed to own very few clothes...and I attributed that their lifestyle and the fact that many of them seemed to travel a lot. Now I surmise that they don't make enough to buy many clothes. Funny to think I had more money coming in every month then they did. How sad...to work all those hours, cobbling products together for Tae Yun's earnings and to have virtually nothing for it.
“Those COL people don't own homes, retirement accounts (have you seen the LWS retirement program? It's laughable at best) or even their cars I would guess. So, what do they have? The reward of a job well done?
“Seriously? LWS products are not what they seem...the people who make them are good people, but the products are not going to pay for COL healthcare when they turn 65. Be real.
“Tae Yun is not out to serve anyone but herself. If you happen to get some scraps from her table just know it's not because she has an eye out for your best interest. It's because it serves her in that moment. Please look at her with a critical eye. Get out while you have a chance at a reasonable work history and you can start working at a legit company. stop the madness.”
Kathy said, “If Tae Yun tells you to do something, you do it. She sure hasn't done a very good job of teaching if all those that have left her are “failures”. What does that have to say of her teaching? No one is perfect, but I never knew any failures when I was there. It was a strong group. But in the years since I have left it seems like things really got crazy. I'm glad so many are out. WWH Brian says hi. He always admired you.
Then Juliana said, “I just remembered something else. When we helped Tae Yun move out of COL1 in Fremont when she purchased SG, (Stargazer) I was helping her pack up the things in her bedroom. In doing so, I came across a box sitting near a bookshelf in her bedroom that was packed with many VHS porn videos. Another female instructor (now ex-COL) was there and I remember looking at her for a response, but she just ignored me, closed up the box and said nothing. That always stuck in my head. What were those used for? For educational purposes? Of what not to do I suppose? Yeah right!
“Another incident just before this time, Tae Yun gathered us all at the COL3 home to discuss some upcoming things that were going to happen because of the Inside Edition attention. In discussing this, I remember Chica asking Tae Yun as an inquisitive teenager might, whether the rumors were true that Tae Yun had sex with the instructors. Scott immediately came strongly to Tae Yun's defense, saying to Chica...how dare she say things like that and accuse Tae Yun of such things. What stuck out to me in that whole event was how Tae Yun never said she didn't, rather she said that,....”even if it were true, wouldn't you consider it an honor that your Master would choose you to have that kind of intimacy....” I'm paraphrasing, but maybe Chica can remember the exact wording.
“Tae Yun can deny she had a relationship with Adam G. all she wants....so what about the others? How many were there? How many have left and still kept her secrecy? I've always wondered and had my strong suspicions about many.”
Tae Yun often played the cancer card for sympathy and later actually got it. But when she played it up it was a lie. She had plasti surgery and a botched boob job. The boob job leaked and caused problems internally. The terrible surgeons that operated tried to remove the bad boob job but made a mess of her insides. If she had just come out and said she had a boob job maybe she might have been accepted a little. But she asaid it was the cancer coming back. This is according to ex COL people contacting the Probe.
Kathy said, “She said she had cancer in the late 80's, and then again in 90 or 91 too I believe. The last one she had around the time I left, which she said was cancer, was her boob job that someone found it was a lie. Guess who that person was, and what he was to her? He wouldn't put up with that type of lying. She always hugged us. When a person's breasts are fake, they are really hard. Hers were. Now they have better ones that aren't hard like that.
“Fake boobs are fine. Just don't say you have cancer. It will come back on you.
“We got her the pink Ski suit as we were all going skiing and she had to look good. It wasn't for her being sick. We went to Utah for New Years Eve. She was still working on getting her young man. Scott was even nice and took myself and ES shopping and bought us a ski outfit and things we would need. But all the students chipped in for Tae Yun's suit. Ours was no way as pricey as Tae Yun's.
“I have noticed that no one has brought up the cash or tithing that they gave Tae Yun every month. You know, the cash in the envelope put in her box by her office door. I was wondering why?”
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